Simferopol switch near 2014-03-30
tzdb currently has the switch in Simferopol from 2014-03-30T02:00 to 04:00, following the announcement in [https://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677464.html] from 2014-03-17. But the clocks of the main station shown in the video at [https://www.rt.com/news/crimea-clocks-moscow-time-173/] advance from 22:00 to 00:00. If this is not a fake, the switch happened 4 hours earlier. Michael Deckers.
You give a link to the web page of the occupying country, an international terrorist country. The site, guided by terrorist Putin Huilo. -- Best regards, Sergij Marchenko mailto:makars@gmail.com http://makar.homelinux.net Skype: makarsoft Viber/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +380661877234 Sent by Redmi Note 5 ср, 3 лип. 2019, 11:43 користувач Michael H Deckers via tz <tz@iana.org> пише:
tzdb currently has the switch in Simferopol from 2014-03-30T02:00 to 04:00, following the announcement in [https://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677464.html] from 2014-03-17.
But the clocks of the main station shown in the video at [https://www.rt.com/news/crimea-clocks-moscow-time-173/] advance from 22:00 to 00:00. If this is not a fake, the switch happened 4 hours earlier.
Michael Deckers.
On 2019-07-03 09:40, Sergij Marchenko wrote:
You give a link to the web page of the occupying country, an international terrorist country.
It is the task of the tz database to represent the civil time used at a location as faithfully as possible. Documents issued under the current administration at that location must be considered for that task, regardless of the legality of that administration. This abstract position may be difficult to take, especially if you are personally involved. But it is absolutely necessary in order to reliably provide the desired service, for instance to the cell phone users living in Simferopol. Michael Deckers.
You can continue to live according to the rules imposed by russian terrorists under the occupation regime of Putin Huylo. -- Best regards, Sergij Marchenko mailto:makars@gmail.com http://makar.homelinux.net Skype: makarsoft Viber/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +380661877234 Sent by Redmi Note 5 ср, 3 лип. 2019, 13:41 користувач Michael H Deckers < michael.h.deckers@googlemail.com> пише:
On 2019-07-03 09:40, Sergij Marchenko wrote:
You give a link to the web page of the occupying country, an international terrorist country.
It is the task of the tz database to represent the civil time used at a location as faithfully as possible. Documents issued under the current administration at that location must be considered for that task, regardless of the legality of that administration.
This abstract position may be difficult to take, especially if you are personally involved. But it is absolutely necessary in order to reliably provide the desired service, for instance to the cell phone users living in Simferopol.
Michael Deckers.
On Jul 3, 2019, at 6:44 AM, Sergij Marchenko <makars@gmail.com> wrote:
You can continue to live according to the rules imposed by russian terrorists under the occupation regime of Putin Huylo.
It's been explained many times already that the TZ project is a technical one, not a political one, and the issue you raise is out of scope. Since you persist in bringing it up in spite of being corrected repeatedly, it may be time to consider your mail to be spam and filter it accordingly. paul
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 04:43, Michael H Deckers via tz <tz@iana.org> wrote:
tzdb currently has the switch in Simferopol from 2014-03-30T02:00 to 04:00, following the announcement in [https://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677464.html] from 2014-03-17.
But the clocks of the main station shown in the video at [https://www.rt.com/news/crimea-clocks-moscow-time-173/] advance from 22:00 to 00:00. If this is not a fake, the switch happened 4 hours earlier.
This apparent discrepancy in reporting was discussed contemporaneously on-list and is already noted in commentary. https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2014-March/020814.html https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2014-March/020815.html Specifically: # Simferopol and Sevastopol reportedly changed their central town clocks
# late the previous day, but this appears to have been ceremonial # and the discrepancies are small enough to not worry about.
As it so happens, the RT article you linked confirms that particular perspective — that the 22:00 transition was merely "ceremonial" and that the 02:00 transition was official — more clearly than we had identified at the time. Quoting the article: …the hands of the main railway station clock in the city of Simferopol
jumped from 10 pm to 12 am on Saturday. […] The ceremony follows the region’s formal joining the Russian Federation on March 21. Other Crimeans, apart from Simferopol, the region’s capital, were expected to switch their clocks at 2:00 am on Sunday, AFP reported.
It appears India's *Business Standard* also contemporaneously reported the same, at https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/crimea-to-set-clocks-t... : …a symbolic ceremony will be held to move the clocks forward at the railway
station in the main city of Simferopol. The Black Sea peninsula's prime minister Sergei Aksyonov will oversee the switch at 10pm (midnight Moscow, 2000 GMT). Europeans and ordinary Crimeans make the daylight savings time switch at 2am tomorrow.
Since the zone is meant to represent the region as a whole, and not necessarily one or two clocks in the town squares in the representative city, this is why we settled on 2014-03-30 02:00 for the transition. -- Tim Parenti
On 2019-07-03 13:33, Tim Parenti wrote:
…the hands of the main railway station clock in the city of Simferopol
jumped from 10 pm to 12 am on Saturday. […] The ceremony follows the region’s formal joining the Russian Federation on March 21. Other Crimeans, apart from Simferopol, the region’s capital, were expected to switch their clocks at 2:00 am on Sunday, AFP reported.
Right. This tells us that a timestamp for Simferopol in 2024-03-30 + [02..04[ h is not necessarily in error, and one in 2024-03-30 + [00..02[ h might be ambiguous. Perhaps the comment could be made more precise by saying that the ceremony in Simferopol was for a switch 4 hours earlier (I have not seen any evidence for a ceremony in Sevastopol). Michael Deckers.
On 7/3/19 8:07 AM, Michael H Deckers via tz wrote:
Perhaps the comment could be made more precise
Let's leave it alone. Although I love clock trivia as much as the next guy we must draw the line somewhere, and increasing precision in commentary about about ceremonial clocks that were deliberately set incorrectly is not that helpful here.
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