New time zone home (revisited)
It seems to have been overly ambitious to find both a new host and a new maintainter for the time zone stuff at the same time. So, one thing at a time. Who has insights on a workable options for new host(s) for the mailing list and the software distribution? --ado
Throwing it out there... Hope I understand the question. CodePlex? http://www.codeplex.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] [mailto:olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:15 PM To: tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov Subject: New time zone home (revisited) It seems to have been overly ambitious to find both a new host and a new maintainter for the time zone stuff at the same time. So, one thing at a time. Who has insights on a workable options for new host(s) for the mailing list and the software distribution? --ado
Arthur, The NTP.org guys run a decent infrastructure, and recently took over hosting (only) for the pool.ntp.org mailing lists. They are a stable team, time-related, and neutral (AFAIK) on the political issues. As a pure hosting, they might be a good choice. -- Sanjeev Gupta +65 98551208 http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 01:15, Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] < olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> wrote:
It seems to have been overly ambitious to find both a new host and a new maintainter for the time zone stuff at the same time. So, one thing at a time. Who has insights on a workable options for new host(s) for the mailing list and the software distribution?
--ado
On 06/27/10 18:59, Sanjeev Gupta wrote:
The NTP.org guys run a decent infrastructure, and recently took over hosting (only) for the pool.ntp.org <http://pool.ntp.org> mailing lists. They are a stable team, time-related, and neutral (AFAIK) on the political issues.
The NTP model is a good one, and is logically related to TZ. More generally, there's the Internet Systems Consortium, which hosts the NTP Public Services Project; see <http://www.isc.org/software/other>. I presume that we could start a TZ Public Services Project that would run on similar grounds. There is a good connection between ISC's other projects (notably DHCP) and the TZ database. I can explore the possibilities there, if this seems like a good idea to others.
Exploration seems like a good idea to me; thanks. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Paul Eggert [mailto:eggert@cs.ucla.edu] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:54 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Cc: Sanjeev Gupta Subject: Re: New time zone home (revisited) On 06/27/10 18:59, Sanjeev Gupta wrote:
The NTP.org guys run a decent infrastructure, and recently took over hosting (only) for the pool.ntp.org <http://pool.ntp.org> mailing lists. They are a stable team, time-related, and neutral (AFAIK) on the political issues.
The NTP model is a good one, and is logically related to TZ. More generally, there's the Internet Systems Consortium, which hosts the NTP Public Services Project; see <http://www.isc.org/software/other>. I presume that we could start a TZ Public Services Project that would run on similar grounds. There is a good connection between ISC's other projects (notably DHCP) and the TZ database. I can explore the possibilities there, if this seems like a good idea to others.
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 13:15:04 -0400 From: "Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E]" <olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> Message-ID: <996D816825CFEA469870126E9050D3F0F44CB641@NIHMLBX11.nih.gov> | So, one thing at a time. Who has insights on a workable options | for new host(s) for the mailing list and the software distribution? I'm not really sure that's a problem, there are plenty of hosting services that support free distributions that could be selected - or given that I have always supplied a backup server for the timezone code and data (and archives of most of the older versions) we could just make that the primary distribution when NIH ceases being a reasonable choice (and that could certainly happen - as an interim solution perhaps - if something or other ever forced a sudden change.) It's been a while since I've run any active mailing lists, but I used to do that a lot, and most of the mechanism is still in place, so doing that would be (fairly) easy too. The real problem, the real issue, is the other one - who is going to be doing the maintaining - as while the mailing list could be relatively independent, the software distribution method needs to be something the maintainer is comfortable with - so I suspect selecting a new home to be the primary distribution point of the software, without knowing who is going to be maintaining it, or how, isn't really a very useful thing do do. On the other hand, if anyone has been reluctant to volunteer to maintain the code just because they can't commit to providing the distribution service, then please, ignore that aspect - we'll work out how to handle distribution easily enough (and the mailing list) if we have someone who will take responsibility for actually managing the code, and more importantly, the database. kre
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] <olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> wrote:
It seems to have been overly ambitious to find both a new host and a new maintainter for the time zone stuff at the same time. So, one thing at a time. Who has insights on a workable options for new host(s) for the mailing list and the software distribution?
Getting the source into a publicly discoverable revision control system is a good start to bringing in new maintainers. I work for Canonical on the launchpad.net project, which provides free revision control (Bazaar), mailing lists, issue tracking, review processes, release downloads etc. for open source projects. Launchpad is one of a number of suitable options. Apart from hosting numerous 'upstream' open source products, it is used to build, track and translate Ubuntu. I'm happy to do the setup and help maintain or hand over the keys. But like I said - one of a number of options. Unless you can find someone suitable to anoint as your successor, I suspect your going to need to setup some sort of committee empowered to keep the 'official' project going when you become unwilling or unable to do so. Easiest way could be to hand things over to the Free Software Foundation, ISO, IEEE, Unicode, Debian but I know little of that. -- Stuart Bishop <stuart@stuartbishop.net> http://www.stuartbishop.net/
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:15, Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] <olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> wrote:
It seems to have been overly ambitious to find both a new host and a new maintainter for the time zone stuff at the same time. [snip]
Has there been a posting summarizing the qualifications needed and desired in a new tz maintainer? --Ice Karma
One thing that I'd want to ensure is that we have a commitment that, whoever is selected as the on-going maintainer, the licensing terms not change!
-----Original Message----- From: Ice Karma 「氷宿縁」 [mailto:icekarma@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:26 PM To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: Re: New time zone home (revisited)
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:15, Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] <olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> wrote:
It seems to have been overly ambitious to find both a new host and a new maintainter for the time zone stuff at the same time. [snip]
Has there been a posting summarizing the qualifications needed and desired in a new tz maintainer?
--Ice Karma
On 06/28/2010 05:39 PM, Paul Goyette wrote:
One thing that I'd want to ensure is that we have a commitment that, whoever is selected as the on-going maintainer, the licensing terms not change!
Changing licensing terms on something in the public domain? Is that possible? I mean, assuming the time zone data doesn't end up getting turned into a Disney feature. --Larry Gilbert
ADO> Who has insights on a workable options for new host(s) for the ADO> mailing list and the software distribution? Keeping it on an academic-hosted infrastructure rather than a commercial- hosts infrastructure seems like a good thing to do. As such hosts like isi.edu (Univ So Cal) and osuosl.org (Oregon State) are ideal choices with considerable experience and funding for such endevours. That ISI hosts ntp perhaps gives it an edge. -JimC -- James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6
ADO> Who has insights on a workable options for new host(s) for the ADO> mailing list and the software distribution? Keeping it on an academic-hosted infrastructure rather than a commercial- hosts infrastructure seems like a good thing to do. As such hosts like isi.edu (Univ So Cal) and osuosl.org (Oregon State) are ideal choices with considerable experience and funding for such endevours. That ISI hosts ntp perhaps gives it an edge. -JimC -- James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6
On 27 June 2010 18:15, Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] <olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> wrote:
It seems to have been overly ambitious to find both a new host and a new maintainter for the time zone stuff at the same time. So, one thing at a time. Who has insights on a workable options for new host(s) for the mailing list and the software distribution?
I would still maintain that the CLDR environment is by far the best fit for this data. It manages all data to do with cultures and is used by all the vendors who also use the tzdata. I also believe they offered to accept us last time this was discussed. Stephen Spec-lead JSR-310
<<On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 11:07:56 +0100, Stephen Colebourne <scolebourne@joda.org> said:
I would still maintain that the CLDR environment is by far the best fit for this data. It manages all data to do with cultures and is used by all the vendors who also use the tzdata. I also believe they offered to accept us last time this was discussed.
For values of "vendor" equal to "commercial operating system supplier". -GAWollman
Just to make it clear that our offer from last year still stands: Mark On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:48, Mark Davis ⌛ <mark@macchiato.com> wrote:
The officers of the Unicode Consortium (http://unicode.org) have discussed this issue, and are interested in exploring hosting the TZ efforts. Aside from the Unicode projects, we currently also support other independent efforts (http://www.unicode.org/iso15924/, http://www.unicode.org/udhr/). Hosting the TZ project would provide for mailing list hosting, code distribution, source code repository (SVN) if desired, etc., web pages, etc. -- presuming that the functioning of the TZ group would continue basically as it does now.
If there is interest in something along these lines, we can discuss more specifics of what this would look like and then pass a proposal by our board of directors.
Mark
... Speaking to "> I don't think I'd want Unicode specifying any of:" We'd be hosting the TZ group; the process the group uses and its output would be up to the group. (The only thing we'd need is for the group to provide a description of whatever process *is*being followed.) Mark *— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —* On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 03:07, Stephen Colebourne <scolebourne@joda.org>wrote:
On 27 June 2010 18:15, Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] <olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> wrote:
It seems to have been overly ambitious to find both a new host and a new maintainter for the time zone stuff at the same time. So, one thing at a time. Who has insights on a workable options for new host(s) for the mailing list and the software distribution?
I would still maintain that the CLDR environment is by far the best fit for this data. It manages all data to do with cultures and is used by all the vendors who also use the tzdata. I also believe they offered to accept us last time this was discussed.
Stephen Spec-lead JSR-310
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Clint Adams -
Garrett Wollman -
Ice Karma 「氷宿縁」 -
James Cloos -
James Cloos -
jrl -
Larry Gilbert -
Mark Davis ☕ -
Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] -
Paul Eggert -
Paul Goyette -
Robert Elz -
Sanjeev Gupta -
Stephen Colebourne -
Stuart Bishop