Europe/Glasgow looming?
Yesterday the BBC reported that Scottish independence could mean Scotland will part ways with the rest of the UK in the matter of time zones, which presumably would mean we'd need a Zone for Europe/Glasgow. The article does not discuss what might ensue in Ireland. Webber E. Scottish independence: Could vote help shift the debate on clocks? BBC News 2014-08-13. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28744490 As a historical note, the article gives 1840 for the "first recorded occasion when local times in different parts of the UK were synchronised ... by the Great Western Railway". This refers to GWR's November 1840 order that London time be used in all its timetables and stations. For more, see: Carradice P. The Great Western Railway creates standard time. BBC Wales 2012-09-05. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wales/posts/the-great-western-railway-creates-sta...
Paul Eggert said:
Yesterday the BBC reported that Scottish independence
If it happens. I wouldn't count on it yet.
could mean Scotland will part ways with the rest of the UK in the matter of time zones, which presumably would mean we'd need a Zone for Europe/Glasgow.
It could mean it. But, again, I'd wait and see what the new administration does.
The article does not discuss what might ensue in Ireland.
Northern Ireland would remain part of the UK, so remains on GMT/BST. The Republic of Ireland remains a separate country. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: clive@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646
Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
Northern Ireland would remain part of the UK, so remains on GMT/BST.
The BBC article was exploring the reverse possibility, i.e., that Scotland would stay on GMT/BST whereas the remaining UK would switch to CET/CEST.
The Republic of Ireland remains a separate country.
As it happens, an Oireachtas committee is considering a time zone change for the Republic of Ireland. Public comments are solicited, due 12 September at 15:00 IST. Please see: Quann J. Public asked for submissions over moving Ireland to CET time zone. Newstalk 2014-07-25. http://www.newstalk.ie/reader/47.301.341/28729/0/ Such a change should not require a new zone in the tz database, only changes to an existing zone. However, it could cause Northern Ireland to lean more to switching to CET/CEST, and this in turn could make matters more interesting for the Scots, who tend to be opposed to such a change.
Paul Eggert said:
Northern Ireland would remain part of the UK, so remains on GMT/BST. The BBC article was exploring the reverse possibility, i.e., that Scotland would stay on GMT/BST whereas the remaining UK would switch to CET/CEST.
I'm not at all convinced that there's the public support for such a change, particularly if it means losing "Greenwich" from the name.
The Republic of Ireland remains a separate country. As it happens, an Oireachtas committee is considering a time zone change for the Republic of Ireland. [...] However, it could cause Northern Ireland to lean more to switching to CET/CEST,
But NI doesn't have the authority to do that separately - it's not a devolved matter.
and this in turn could make matters more interesting for the Scots, who tend to be opposed to such a change.
Right. But if they're independent then what the UK does doesn't affect them (modulo border issues). But I still think we should wait until the referendum. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: clive@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
However, it could cause Northern Ireland to lean more to switching to CET/CEST,
But NI doesn't have the authority to do that separately - it's not a devolved matter.
Where's the exclusion? I couldn't find anything specifically about that (whereas the Scotland Act 1998 explicitly excludes "Timescales, time zones and the subject-matter of the Summer Time Act 1972." in schedule 5.II.L5). <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_the_United_Kingdom> states it's devolved in NI, referencing <https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-role-of-the-advocate-general-and-...>. -- Joseph S. Myers jsm@polyomino.org.uk
On 15 August 2014 09:34, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
However, it could cause Northern Ireland to lean more to switching to CET/CEST, and this in turn could make matters more interesting for the Scots, who tend to be opposed to such a change.
I thought that Scots also tend to be opposed to summer time in general, due to their more northerly latitude enhancing the ‘children go to school in the dark’ effect. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>
On 15/08/14 15:28, Philip Newton wrote:
On 15 August 2014 09:34, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
However, it could cause Northern Ireland to lean more to switching to CET/CEST, and this in turn could make matters more interesting for the Scots, who tend to be opposed to such a change. I thought that Scots also tend to be opposed to summer time in general, due to their more northerly latitude enhancing the ‘children go to school in the dark’ effect.
It's the other way around. They want the clocks to change in winter because otherwise children will be going to school in the dark for most of the winter months. jch
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