FW: Update on Australian Time Zone changes for Olympics
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-----Original Message----- From: Eric Ulevik [SMTP:eauz@zip.com.au] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 1:19 AM To: tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov Subject: Update on Australian Time Zone changes for Olympics
Source: Sydney's Sun Herald newspaper, 13 August 2000 page 29
* NSW (and Victoria, Tas, ACT) going onto DST at 2am 27 August 2000
* As usual, no DST in WA, NT and Queensland
Some parts of NSW are different:
- Broken Hill starting DST on 29 September 2000 (following South Australia)
- Twin Towns Services Club (in Tweed Heads, near the Queensland border) will maintain Queensland time. The Queensland Premier Peter Beattie is encouraging northern NSW towns to use Queensland time.
Regards,
Eric Ulevik
I don't have time to check the latest tzdata, but 1. South Australia, if it does stick to its habit of the last several years (and there is renewed debate about that, I heard this morning), will start daylight saving on the last Sunday of October, and not September 29. Correct me if I'm wrong, but DST has never been started at the end of September in Australia (at least not in the 30+ years I've been living here). 2. the Worldwide Holiday & Festival Site, http://www.holidayfestival.com/, seems to believe that Broken Hill (or the shire that contains it, which I can't remember the name of right now) will be starting daylight saving with the rest of NSW. This I do not believe: it would make it an island of UT+10:30 with UT+09:30 to its west and UT+11:00 to its east. Does this reflect the current tzdata? If so it needs to be corrected. It would be extraordinary in the extreme for Broken Hill not to stick on the same time as South Australia, as it has done for I don't know how long. 3: Tweed Heads is contiguous with Coolangatta in Queensland, which is at the southern end of the (City of?) Gold Coast. There is a suburban street that runs along the border between NSW and Queensland with (residential) houses on both sides of it. The runway of Coolangatta airport also extends into NSW. Tweed Heads is also in the same local telephone area as the Gold Coast. --Alex At 08:58 -0400 2000-08-14, Olson, Arthur David (NCI) wrote:
Eric Ulevik is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately.
--ado
-----Original Message----- From: Eric Ulevik [SMTP:eauz@zip.com.au] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 1:19 AM To: tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov Subject: Update on Australian Time Zone changes for Olympics
Source: Sydney's Sun Herald newspaper, 13 August 2000 page 29
* NSW (and Victoria, Tas, ACT) going onto DST at 2am 27 August 2000
* As usual, no DST in WA, NT and Queensland
Some parts of NSW are different:
- Broken Hill starting DST on 29 September 2000 (following South Australia)
- Twin Towns Services Club (in Tweed Heads, near the Queensland border) will maintain Queensland time. The Queensland Premier Peter Beattie is encouraging northern NSW towns to use Queensland time.
Regards,
Eric Ulevik
-- _______________ Alex LIVINGSTON Macintosh and Lotus Notes Support / Information Technology (IT) Australian Graduate School of Management (AGSM) UNSW SYDNEY NSW 2052 / Australia Facsimile: +61 2 9931-9349 / Telephone: +61 2 9931-9264 Time : UTC+11---[last Mar. Sun.---UTC+10---[last Aug. Sun.---UTC+11--- At midday today, Tuesday, August 15, time since epoch (1-1-1 at 00:00:00) is 730346.5 days = 1999.62079988 average Gregorian years time until 3rd millennium, 21st century, 201st decade, 2001st year is 138.5 days = .37920012 average Gregorian years
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:02:01 +1000 From: Alex LIVINGSTON <alex@agsm.edu.au> Message-ID: <a04320401b5be4fd53ca3@[149.171.217.233]> | 1. South Australia, if it does stick to its habit of the last several | years (and there is renewed debate about that, I heard this morning), | will start daylight saving on the last Sunday of October, and not | September 29. I suspect "September" was a typo (by someone) - Sep 29 is a Friday, Oct 29 is a Sunday... | 3: Tweed Heads is contiguous with Coolangatta in Queensland, which is | at the southern end of the (City of?) Gold Coast. There is a suburban | street that runs along the border between NSW and Queensland with | (residential) houses on both sides of it. The runway of Coolangatta | airport also extends into NSW. Tweed Heads is also in the same local | telephone area as the Gold Coast. I recall when I was in that area in summer (some time ago now), that Tweed Heads was running on Summer time, and Coolangatta was running Standard time. It is not unusual to be able to stand with one foot in each of two different timezones, though it is a bit unusual to be able to do so in the middle of a municipal shopping centre (it is more than houses on each side of that street - which has the border running through the median strip). However, what time the Twin Towns Services Club (which probably gets more custom from Qld than NSW) chooses to do with its clocks is its business, though its alcohol licence terms will doubtless follow NSW times... (Aside: it would make much more sense for SE Qld to follow NSW, than for northern NSW to follow Qld in these issues - Summer time would be ideal for SE Qld - it is so far east, and not so far north, that it really is almost the ideal place to use summer time). kre
From: Eric Ulevik [SMTP:eauz@zip.com.au] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 1:19 AM - Twin Towns Services Club (in Tweed Heads, near the Queensland border) will maintain Queensland time. The Queensland Premier Peter Beattie is encouraging northern NSW towns to use Queensland time. Thanks for the info. If it's just the one club, I'll add this as a comment. It sounds like Pangnirtung, where there is an official time which some people use, and a dissenters' time which other people use. The tz database is not set up for disputes like that (yet), so it just records the official time for now. Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:02:01 +1000 From: Alex LIVINGSTON <alex@agsm.edu.au> 1. South Australia, if it does stick to its habit of the last several years (and there is renewed debate about that, I heard this morning), will start daylight saving on the last Sunday of October, and not September 29. Yes, this matches the current tz data. Correct me if I'm wrong, but DST has never been started at the end of September in Australia (at least not in the 30+ years I've been living here). Yes. According to the tz data, the last (and only) time it occurred at the end of September was on September 27, 1942. 2. the Worldwide Holiday & Festival Site, http://www.holidayfestival.com/, seems to believe that Broken Hill (or the shire that contains it, which I can't remember the name of right now) will be starting daylight saving with the rest of NSW. ... Does this reflect the current tzdata? No. The current tz data has Broken Hill starting daylight saving on October 29 at 02:00, whereas the rest of NSW will start on August 27 at 02:00. That is, the tz data claims that Broken Hill is in lockstep with Adelaide starting this year. Here's the story that prompted this claim: http://abc.net.au/news/regionals/brokenh/monthly/regbrok-21jul1999-6.htm The tz data also claims that between 1971 and 1999 inclusive, Broken Hill was at UTC+09:30 but used NSW's rules rather than South Australia's rules, which meant that occasionally it was an island of its own. This is a little hard to believe, I agree, but it's what George Shepherd told us how it worked as of 1991, and he confirmed it with the Broken Hill Postmaster.
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