ICANN contacts Egyptian government about recent last-minute clock change
Baher Esmat of ICANN contacted the Egyptian government asking it to give us more notice about clock changes next time. This found its way into the popular press earlier this month; here's the English-language version: Al-Youm A-M. ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time. Egypt Independent 2016-07-08. http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/icann-thrown-confusion-cancelation-dayl...
"ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time" does make it seem as if it's ICANN's fault, no? @dashdashado On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
Baher Esmat of ICANN contacted the Egyptian government asking it to give us more notice about clock changes next time. This found its way into the popular press earlier this month; here's the English-language version:
Al-Youm A-M. ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time. Egypt Independent 2016-07-08. http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/icann-thrown-confusion-cancelation-dayl...
ICANN’s paltry psychic skills… One would think tarot card reading training would be mandatory. Howard On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> wrote:
"ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time" does make it seem as if it's ICANN's fault, no?
@dashdashado
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote: Baher Esmat of ICANN contacted the Egyptian government asking it to give us more notice about clock changes next time. This found its way into the popular press earlier this month; here's the English-language version:
Al-Youm A-M. ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time. Egypt Independent 2016-07-08. http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/icann-thrown-confusion-cancelation-dayl...
I think we should have known ahead of time because of the global conspiracy - time zone, leap second and metric system division. If subscribing to this mailing list hasn't made me a party to an international conspiracy, I'm going to have to adjust my resumé. On July 23, 2016 8:52:18 PM EDT, Howard Hinnant <howard.hinnant@gmail.com> wrote:
ICANN’s paltry psychic skills… One would think tarot card reading training would be mandatory.
Howard
On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> wrote:
"ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time"
does make it seem as if it's ICANN's fault, no?
@dashdashado
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
wrote:
Baher Esmat of ICANN contacted the Egyptian government asking it to give us more notice about clock changes next time. This found its way into the popular press earlier this month; here's the English-language version:
Al-Youm A-M. ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time. Egypt Independent 2016-07-08. http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/icann-thrown-confusion-cancelation-dayl...
If subscribing to this mailing list hasn't made me a party to an international conspiracy, I'm going to have to adjust my resumé.
The time zone cabal dates to 1989 (see below). @dashdashado Script started on Sat, Jul 23, 2016 9:51:03 PM $ sccs print README | grep "4.3 " D 4.3 89/02/20 21:56:14 ado 28 27 00009/00003/00031 4.3 40 lines $ grep Cabal README Thanks to these Timezone Caballeros who've made major contributions to the exit Script done on Sat, Jul 23, 2016 9:51:29 PM On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Paul G <paul@ganssle.io> wrote:
I think we should have known ahead of time because of the global conspiracy - time zone, leap second and metric system division. If subscribing to this mailing list hasn't made me a party to an international conspiracy, I'm going to have to adjust my resumé.
On July 23, 2016 8:52:18 PM EDT, Howard Hinnant <howard.hinnant@gmail.com> wrote:
ICANN’s paltry psychic skills… One would think tarot card reading training would be mandatory.
Howard
On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> wrote:
"ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time" does make it seem as if it's ICANN's fault, no?
@dashdashado
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote: Baher Esmat of ICANN contacted the Egyptian government asking it to give us more notice about clock changes next time. This found its way into the popular press earlier this month; here's the English-language version:
Al-Youm A-M. ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time. Egypt Independent 2016-07-08. http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/icann-thrown-confusion-cancelation-dayl...
Some details on this, and more on my blog here: http://codeofmatt.com/2016/07/01/time-zone-chaos-inevitable-in-egypt/ From: Arthur David Olson<mailto:arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 PM To: Paul G<mailto:paul@ganssle.io> Cc: Time Zone Database list<mailto:tz@iana.org> Subject: Re: [tz] ICANN contacts Egyptian government about recent last-minute clock change
If subscribing to this mailing list hasn't made me a party to an international conspiracy, I'm going to have to adjust my resum?.
The time zone cabal dates to 1989 (see below). @dashdashado Script started on Sat, Jul 23, 2016 9:51:03 PM $ sccs print README | grep "4.3 " D 4.3 89/02/20 21:56:14 ado 28 27 00009/00003/00031 4.3 40 lines $ grep Cabal README Thanks to these Timezone Caballeros who've made major contributions to the exit Script done on Sat, Jul 23, 2016 9:51:29 PM On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Paul G <paul@ganssle.io<mailto:paul@ganssle.io>> wrote: I think we should have known ahead of time because of the global conspiracy - time zone, leap second and metric system division. If subscribing to this mailing list hasn't made me a party to an international conspiracy, I'm going to have to adjust my resum?. On July 23, 2016 8:52:18 PM EDT, Howard Hinnant <howard.hinnant@gmail.com<mailto:howard.hinnant@gmail.com>> wrote: ICANN's paltry psychic skills... One would think tarot card reading training would be mandatory. Howard On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson@gmail.com<mailto:arthurdavidolson@gmail.com>> wrote: "ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time" does make it seem as if it's ICANN's fault, no? @dashdashado On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu<mailto:eggert@cs.ucla.edu>> wrote: Baher Esmat of ICANN contacted the Egyptian government asking it to give us more notice about clock changes next time. This found its way into the popular press earlier this month; here's the English-language version: Al-Youm A-M. ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time. Egypt Independent 2016-07-08. http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/icann-thrown-confusion-cancelation-dayl...
On 07/24/2016 03:54 AM, Arthur David Olson wrote:
The time zone cabal dates to 1989
That's just the current incarnation. Previous editions of the cabal go back way before that. Here's a quote from a scholarly paper on timekeeping in ancient Mesopotamia: "It seems that this populace lived at least from the inception of writing with a reality-distorting system of timekeeping, which is a by no means surprising development." Englund KR. Administrative timekeeping in ancient Mesopotamia. J Econ Soc Hist Orient 31, 2 (1988), 121-85. http://www.jstor.org/stable/3632096
On 2016-07-24 01:39, Paul Eggert wrote:
On 07/24/2016 03:54 AM, Arthur David Olson wrote:
The time zone cabal dates to 1989 That's just the current incarnation. Previous editions of the cabal go back way before that. Here's a quote from a scholarly paper on timekeeping in ancient Mesopotamia: "It seems that this populace lived at least from the inception of writing with a reality-distorting system of timekeeping, which is a by no means surprising development." Englund KR. Administrative timekeeping in ancient Mesopotamia. J Econ Soc Hist Orient 31, 2 (1988), 121-85. http://www.jstor.org/stable/3632096 also http://cdli.ucla.edu/staff/englund/publications/englund1988a.pdf quote on p.181; another quote from the previous p.180 which we can all relate to, summarizing the previous section on Sumerian labour time accounting: "This rationalization and quantification of labor time executed by ancient management presupposes an outlook which many will recognize in present day organization, ..."
Time cabals should include: the Jewish Sanhedrin: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/3920-calendar-history-of the Roman Collegium Pontificum who published the Fasti (courts, markets, and sacred calendar), regulated what should and could be done when on those days, and announced the sighting of the new moon on the Kalends e.g. http://www.webexhibits.org/calendars/calendar-roman.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
I think almost all nuance is lost in such brief general press articles. Of course, any confusion on this group’s part pales in comparison to those trying to rely on their devices and applications to plan their activities. Suffice it to say I’ve been talking with my colleague Baher and he has been in dialogue with the government contacts and relayed the best practice discussed on this list, and the negative consequences for their populace of making eleventh hour changes. Let’s see if the increased awareness will help for future changes. kim From: <tz-bounces@iana.org> on behalf of Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> Date: Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 4:03 PM To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> Cc: Time Zone Database list <tz@iana.org> Subject: Re: [tz] ICANN contacts Egyptian government about recent last-minute clock change "ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time" does make it seem as if it's ICANN's fault, no? @dashdashado On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote: Baher Esmat of ICANN contacted the Egyptian government asking it to give us more notice about clock changes next time. This found its way into the popular press earlier this month; here's the English-language version: Al-Youm A-M. ICANN thrown into confusion by cancelation of Daylight Saving Time. Egypt Independent 2016-07-08. http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/icann-thrown-confusion-cancelation-dayl...
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