Ukraine to abolish DST?
Ukraine seems to be getting rid of DST, according to https://universemagazine.com/en/the-verkhovna-rada-canceled-daylight-saving-... "During a meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine on June 16, daylight saving time was canceled. According to MP Yaroslav Zheleznyak, 261 MPs voted in favor of the bill. Now it must be signed by the President of Ukraine, and then it will come into force." which is again referencing (in Ukrainan) https://lb.ua/society/2024/07/16/624453_verhovna_rada_skasuvala_perehid.html It seems they will plan to set back time this autumn to winter(standard) time, and then stay on that. Best regards, Steffen Thorsen - timeanddate.com
Thanks for the heads-up about the bill. I found a copy on the Rada website[1]. Assuming the president signs it and it becomes law, we'll need a change and a new TZDB release. The bill says that the law would take effect three months after promulgation, so it'd be helpful to find out its promulgation date whenever that happens to be. A further proposed resolution was introduced today[2] to annul yesterday's decision and stick with the status quo, on the grounds that yesterday's decision wasn't properly conducted. Not knowing Ukrainian politics, I don't know how today's proposal will affect matters. I am attaching a draft TZDB patch but I haven't installed it into the development version, because the effective date isn't known (I approximated it as "2025" in the draft patch), the bill as it stands might not become law, and the patch will need commentary. The zonenow.tab part of the draft patch would be temporary and that file would need to be updated further after 2024-10-27 as Ukraine would merge with Libya and Kaliningrad for future timestamps. [1]: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/4294 [2]: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/44572
I assumed that changes would technically take affects on March 30, 2025, when DST will not be introduced. Anyway, I propose to keep those changes in "work in progress" status until a new law is finally signed and published, and in the final text will have clear understanding of 'de jure' cut-off date. I will keep it tracked and will inform you. BR/Yurii On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 10:20 PM Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
Thanks for the heads-up about the bill. I found a copy on the Rada website[1]. Assuming the president signs it and it becomes law, we'll need a change and a new TZDB release.
The bill says that the law would take effect three months after promulgation, so it'd be helpful to find out its promulgation date whenever that happens to be.
A further proposed resolution was introduced today[2] to annul yesterday's decision and stick with the status quo, on the grounds that yesterday's decision wasn't properly conducted. Not knowing Ukrainian politics, I don't know how today's proposal will affect matters.
I am attaching a draft TZDB patch but I haven't installed it into the development version, because the effective date isn't known (I approximated it as "2025" in the draft patch), the bill as it stands might not become law, and the patch will need commentary. The zonenow.tab part of the draft patch would be temporary and that file would need to be updated further after 2024-10-27 as Ukraine would merge with Libya and Kaliningrad for future timestamps.
[1]: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/4294 [2]: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/44572
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 at 15:21, Paul Eggert via tz <tz@iana.org> wrote:
[1]: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/4294 [2]: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/44572
These pages on the Verkhovna Rada's website both have status updates dated Wednesday 21 August 2024: The main draft law [1], which abolishes seasonal time changes in Article 5, §2, was submitted to the Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada for signature, was returned signed, and has been sent to the President for signature. Per Article 10, §1, once signed, "the law enters into force three months after its official promulgation." Full PDF text (in Ukrainian) is linked from the page and available from https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/pubFile/319990 The page for the counterproposal [2] to keep the *status quo* of seasonal time changes now says that "the draft was not accepted". -- Tim Parenti
This link (https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/pubFile/319990) is the initial draft, but later the committee changed it substantially. In particular, the entry into force was changed from "three months after promulgation" to the explicit date of 1 January 2025. Here is a table comparing the initial and final versions: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/pubFile/2446165 This is the final version of the bill, passed by the parliament and signed by the chairman: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/pubFile/2496084 David
Hi Tim and all, Just to clarify, I mentioned earlier that to become law document should be signed by the Chairman of Parlament (Verkhovna Rada) and then by the President. You are right, with the latest updates (update by 21.08.2024) is that the document was routed to the Chairman for signature and the signed document was returned, current status is "routed to the President for signature". The full text of the final version (document signed by the Chairman of Verkhovna Rada) is here: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/pubFile/2496084, link mentioned by Tim is to the version from 2020 (but the actual changes are cosmetic, like "draft of the bill" changed to "bill"). Document [2] was rejected (updated from the same day, 21.08.2024). BR/Yurii On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 2:53 AM Tim Parenti <tim@timtimeonline.com> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 at 15:21, Paul Eggert via tz <tz@iana.org> wrote:
[1]: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/4294 [2]: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/44572
These pages on the Verkhovna Rada's website both have status updates dated Wednesday 21 August 2024:
The main draft law [1], which abolishes seasonal time changes in Article 5, §2, was submitted to the Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada for signature, was returned signed, and has been sent to the President for signature. Per Article 10, §1, once signed, "the law enters into force three months after its official promulgation." Full PDF text (in Ukrainian) is linked from the page and available from https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/pubFile/319990
The page for the counterproposal [2] to keep the status quo of seasonal time changes now says that "the draft was not accepted".
-- Tim Parenti
I did not mention in last email one important thing, version signed by Chairman of Verkhovna Rada have timeframe that was missed in the initial version (as it wasn't clear when that document accepted as a law). So, translation to English: Article 8. Final Provisions This Law comes into force on January 1, 2025, except for part two of this Article, which comes into force on the date of publication of this Law. The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine shall ensure the implementation of legal acts deriving from this Law, simultaneously with its entry into force. The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine shall inform the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine about the status of the implementation of this Law in 2025. Original Ukrainian text is here https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/pubFile/2496084. So, we have Jan 1, 2025 as the cut-off date. But still, we should wait for the final signature by the President, as the President has the right to veto. I will keep you posted On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 12:43 PM Yuriy Novostavskiy <yuriy@novostavskiy.kiev.ua> wrote:
Hi Tim and all,
Just to clarify, I mentioned earlier that to become law document should be signed by the Chairman of Parlament (Verkhovna Rada) and then by the President.
You are right, with the latest updates (update by 21.08.2024) is that the document was routed to the Chairman for signature and the signed document was returned, current status is "routed to the President for signature".
The full text of the final version (document signed by the Chairman of Verkhovna Rada) is here: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/pubFile/2496084, link mentioned by Tim is to the version from 2020 (but the actual changes are cosmetic, like "draft of the bill" changed to "bill").
Document [2] was rejected (updated from the same day, 21.08.2024).
BR/Yurii
On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 2:53 AM Tim Parenti <tim@timtimeonline.com> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 at 15:21, Paul Eggert via tz <tz@iana.org> wrote:
[1]: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/4294 [2]: https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/Card/44572
These pages on the Verkhovna Rada's website both have status updates dated Wednesday 21 August 2024:
The main draft law [1], which abolishes seasonal time changes in Article 5, §2, was submitted to the Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada for signature, was returned signed, and has been sent to the President for signature. Per Article 10, §1, once signed, "the law enters into force three months after its official promulgation." Full PDF text (in Ukrainian) is linked from the page and available from https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billInfo/Bills/pubFile/319990
The page for the counterproposal [2] to keep the status quo of seasonal time changes now says that "the draft was not accepted".
-- Tim Parenti
On 2024-07-17 12:20, Paul Eggert wrote:
I am attaching a draft TZDB patch but I haven't installed it into the development version, because the effective date isn't known (I approximated it as "2025" in the draft patch), the bill as it stands might not become law, and the patch will need commentary.
BBC Ukraine reported Thursday[1] that President Zelensky plans to not sign the bill into law, so it appears that no change to TZDB is needed, as Ukraine will continue to observe daylight saving time during summer - at least for now. [1]: BBC Ukraine. Переведення годинників. Зеленський не планує підписувати закон, який його скасовує. 2024-10-24. https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/articles/cx2l870v1rgo
Yep, I saw it. The bill wasn't singed for more than months, technically timeframe for veto os over that means that bill can't be vetoed, but seems will remain unsigned. In any case I will update when anything changes. BR/Yuriy On Sat, Oct 26, 2024, 10:45 PM Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
On 2024-07-17 12:20, Paul Eggert wrote:
I am attaching a draft TZDB patch but I haven't installed it into the development version, because the effective date isn't known (I approximated it as "2025" in the draft patch), the bill as it stands might not become law, and the patch will need commentary.
BBC Ukraine reported Thursday[1] that President Zelensky plans to not sign the bill into law, so it appears that no change to TZDB is needed, as Ukraine will continue to observe daylight saving time during summer - at least for now.
[1]: BBC Ukraine. Переведення годинників. Зеленський не планує підписувати закон, який його скасовує. 2024-10-24. https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/articles/cx2l870v1rgo
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