FW: [Meticulous] and well researched article on Alaska time zones

I'm forwarding this message from Steve Ferguson, who is not on the time zone mailing list. Those of you who are on the list, please direct replies appropriately. --ado From: Steve Ferguson [mailto:s_t_e_v_e_f@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:50 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: [Meticulous] and well researched article on Alaska time zones The author lives in Alaska and many of the references listed are only available to Alaskan residents. http://www.alaskahistoricalsociety.org/index.cfm?section=discover%20alaska&p...

The Alaskan article is delightful. I did not need to be from Alaska to read it! My grandparents deferred to a "summer schedule" (circa 1910-1935) used by the train and rail system. They were rural farm folks a good hour or two from the big cities (by horse - and less time later when they had a car) but they knew the train kept that "summer schedule" and would mark the beginning and ending dates on their calendars. They laughed at me when I asked them if they set their clocks backward or forward prior to WWII. But, to their credit, they were always very aware of that "summer schedule". Time in the cities may run on a political cycle, but for the locals, the setting of the clocks was more politics than policy. They wound their grandfather clock's when they rose to milk the cows. If the local midwife recorded a birth-time, you can bet it was in Standard Time. It wasn't until after WWII before there was any back and forth. An uncle who grew up in Central Falls, Pawtucket said the same was true in the city. So I'd be inclined to say it was not just the farm folks who ignored the DST. I was raised in a small town outside of Providence RI. It would not surprise me to see the local town records ignored DST in the twenties and thirties. Rule NYC 1920 only - Mar lastSun 2:00 1:00 D Rule NYC 1920 only - Oct lastSun 2:00 0 S Rule NYC 1921 1966 - Apr lastSun 2:00 1:00 D Rule NYC 1921 1954 - Sep lastSun 2:00 0 S 1883 Nov 18 12:03:58 -5:00 US E%sT 1920 -5:00 NYC E%sT 1942 -5:00 US E%sT 1946 Jamie -----Original Message----- From: Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] [mailto:olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:47 AM To: 'tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov' Cc: 's_t_e_v_e_f@yahoo.com'; 'stevef@yahoo.com' Subject: FW: [Meticulous] and well researched article on Alaska time zones I'm forwarding this message from Steve Ferguson, who is not on the time zone mailing list. Those of you who are on the list, please direct replies appropriately. --ado From: Steve Ferguson [mailto:s_t_e_v_e_f@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:50 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: [Meticulous] and well researched article on Alaska time zones The author lives in Alaska and many of the references listed are only available to Alaskan residents. http://www.alaskahistoricalsociety.org/index.cfm?section=discover%20alaska&p...

Who can find the mistake in this article (about Diomede Island)? Aaron On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] <olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> wrote:
I'm forwarding this message from Steve Ferguson, who is not on the time zone mailing list. Those of you who are on the list, please direct replies appropriately.
--ado
From: Steve Ferguson [mailto:s_t_e_v_e_f@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:50 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: [Meticulous] and well researched article on Alaska time zones
The author lives in Alaska and many of the references listed are only available to Alaskan residents.
http://www.alaskahistoricalsociety.org/index.cfm?section=discover%20alaska&p...

Little Diomede Island is near the 180th meridian (and thus the IDL), not the 170th. Brian -------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron Brown" <asb110273@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:19 PM To: <tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov> Subject: Re: FW: [Meticulous] and well researched article on Alaska time zones
Who can find the mistake in this article (about Diomede Island)?
Aaron
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] <olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> wrote:
I'm forwarding this message from Steve Ferguson, who is not on the time zone mailing list. Those of you who are on the list, please direct replies appropriately.
--ado
From: Steve Ferguson [mailto:s_t_e_v_e_f@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:50 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: [Meticulous] and well researched article on Alaska time zones
The author lives in Alaska and many of the references listed are only available to Alaskan residents.
http://www.alaskahistoricalsociety.org/index.cfm?section=discover%20alaska&p...

Entering "Little Diomede Island, Alaska" into google maps shows Little Diomede island to be around 170 W, which is 35 degrees west of 135 degrees west, which is 2:20 off of the meridian of the time zone. So, it should be 2:20 during the winter and 3:20 during the summer, not 3:20 and 4:20 as the article states. Aaron On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Brian Garrett <mgy1912@cox.net> wrote:
Little Diomede Island is near the 180th meridian (and thus the IDL), not the 170th.
Brian
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron Brown" <asb110273@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:19 PM To: <tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov> Subject: Re: FW: [Meticulous] and well researched article on Alaska time zones
Who can find the mistake in this article (about Diomede Island)?
Aaron
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] <olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> wrote:
I'm forwarding this message from Steve Ferguson, who is not on the time zone mailing list. Those of you who are on the list, please direct replies appropriately.
--ado
From: Steve Ferguson [mailto:s_t_e_v_e_f@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:50 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: [Meticulous] and well researched article on Alaska time zones
The author lives in Alaska and many of the references listed are only available to Alaskan residents.
http://www.alaskahistoricalsociety.org/index.cfm?section=discover%20alaska&p...

Here's database-relevant material from the 2001 "Alaska History" article: On September 20 [1979]...DOT...officials decreed that on April 27, 1980, Juneau and other nearby communities would move to Yukon Time. Sitka, Petersburg, Wrangell, and Ketchikan, however, would remain on Pacific Time. ...on September 22, 1980, DOT Secretary Neil E. Goldschmidt rescinded the Department's September 1979 decision. Juneau and other communities in northern Southeast reverted to Pacific Time on October 26. On October 28 [1983]...the Metlakatla Indian Community Council voted unanimously to keep the reservation on Pacific Time. According to DOT official Joanne Petrie, Indian reservations are not bound to follow time zones imposed by neighboring jurisdictions. (The last is consistent with how the database now handles the Navajo Nation.) Additional material: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annette_Island The largest settlement on the island is Metlakatla. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metlakatla,_Alaska Time zone Pacific (PST) (UTC-8) - Summer (DST) AKDT (UTC-8) Metlakatla is located at 55°7′37″N 131°34′35″W (55.126916, -131.576393) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchikan Population (2007) - Total 7,368 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petersburg,_Alaska Population (2000) - Total 3,224 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitka,_Alaska Coordinates: 57°10′35″N 135°18′07″W Population (2005) - Total 8,986 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrangell,_Alaska Population 2308 (2000) If you believe Wikipedia's Metlakatla entry, they're on Pacific Standard Time (UTC-8) year round; if you believe other sites, they observe DST but are on Alaska Time. Putting it all together, it looks as if America/Juneau splits in three: Zone America/Juneau 15:02:19 - LMT 1867 Oct 18 -8:57:41 - LMT 1900 Aug 20 12:00 -8:00 - PST 1942 -8:00 US P%sT 1946 -8:00 - PST 1969 -8:00 US P%sT 1980 Apr 27 2:00 -9:00 US Y%sT 1980 Oct 26 2:00 -8:00 US P%sT 1983 Oct 30 2:00 -9:00 US Y%sT 1983 Nov 30 -9:00 US AK%sT Zone America/Sitka -14:58:47 - LMT 1867 Oct 18 -9:01:13 - LMT 1900 Aug 20 12:00 -8:00 - PST 1942 -8:00 US P%sT 1946 -8:00 - PST 1969 -8:00 US P%sT 1983 Oct 30 2:00 -9:00 US Y%sT 1983 Nov 30 -9:00 US AK%sT Zone America/Metlakatla 15:13:42 - LMT 1867 Oct 18 -8:46:18 - LMT 1900 Aug 20 12:00 -8:00 - PST 1942 -8:00 US P%sT 1946 -8:00 - PST 1969 -8:00 US P%sT That last line might need to be replaced by these two: -8:00 US P%sT 1983 Oct 30 2:00 -8:00 US PST Oddly, in 1980 Sitka stayed on Pacific Time even though it's west of Juneau which moved to Yukon time; Sitka's southerliness overrode its westerliness. These changes would affect current time stamps in Metlakatla. Well? --ado
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