Re: [tz] temporary timezone database home ...
Um...a statement in a creative work that says "this work is in the public domain" generally *does* put it in the public domain. Anyone who owns property is free to give it away. In the case of the U.S. government, since the government (in theory) is owned by the citizens of the U.S., as a matter of public policy U.S. government works are in the public domain. 17 USC 105 states this explicitly, but does allows the U.S. government to hold copyrights by devise (for example, through a gift or a tax lien). I believe ADO had to clarify that the tzinfo database fell into the first category and not the second; thus, the "public domain" language in the tzinfo files. And IAAL (just not practicing). :) David Braverman http://www.wx-now.com/
David Braverman said:
Um...a statement in a creative work that says "this work is in the public domain" generally *does* put it in the public domain. Anyone who owns property is free to give it away.
Yes, but only to the extent that you hold that copyright. If I take a copy of Harry Potter and write "this work is in the public domain" in it, that doesn't make it so. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: clive@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646
David Braverman <david@braverman.org> writes:
Um...a statement in a creative work that says "this work is in the public domain" generally *does* put it in the public domain. Anyone who owns property is free to give it away.
Actually, this is somewhat more dubious than most people think if you're in the US. US copyright statutes don't include a way for people to voluntarily place things into the public domain. Whether or not saying that something is in the public domain "works" or not is one of those things that copyright lawyers tend to argue about, and conservative ones will say don't do that because the legal status is ambiguous. Hence the Creative Commons CC-0 license and other such licenses that attempt to approximate the public domain without having that problem. It's quite possible that someone could say that something is in the public domain and then later change their mind and successfully enforce copyright, although there are obvious estoppel issues that would make it hard to get much in the way of damages or possibly even to enforce it. But in any event all that only really matters if the copyright holder wants to enforce copyright on something, which clearly isn't the case for the tz maintainers, so as Clive says it comes down to whether the data in the tz database really has the legal status that we all think it does. (Personally, my bet is that it's sufficiently factual that the specific rules aren't copyrightable, although of course things like naming choices and the supporting commentary all are.) -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
On Fri, October 7, 2011 14:17, David Braverman wrote:
Um...a statement in a creative work that says "this work is in the public domain" generally *does* put it in the public domain. Anyone who owns property is free to give it away.
Not necessarily true in parts of Europe. The author of SQLite learned this the hard way, as it too was put in the public domain, and this fact led to complicates with some European companies using it having to jump a legal hoops. I forget the exact details now, but I believe it's mentioned in this Google TechTalk video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giAMt8Tj-84 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5160435487953918649 The author said if he had to do it again, he'd go with something like an MIT license: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License The original Berkeley Unix code was also sponsored by the US government, and it was published with the (four-clause) BSD license. The various BSD projects have been moving over to three- and two-clause licenses in recent years (most prominently removing the advertising clause). IMHO if one wants to simply give away code with the fewest hassles/strings, the MIT license is probably best.
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