Argentina's timezone blues... aftermath
Hi, I'm deeply sorry, I had a couple of completely maddening weeks and wasn't able to follow up on my postings... I couldn't even read if someone did... I'm posting old news so, if this has already been posted, please disregard my message (I'm not on my computer right now, and I can't easily access the list archive)... So... I know what's going on, but I couldn't find official sources... The 'official federal source', only says that the 'national' timezone is UTC-03:00 ( http://tinyurl.com/yvhh9 ). These media articles from a major newspaper mostly cover the current state http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/05/27/de_604825.asp http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/05/28/de_605203.asp The changes in Mendoza are those that Paul incorporated a couple of weeks ago. The following eight (8) provinces pulled clocks back to UTC-04:00 at midnight Monday May 31st. (that is, the night between 05/31 and 06/01). Catamarca Chubut La Rioja San Juan San Luis Santa Cruz Tierra del Fuego Tucumán Apparently, all nine provinces would go back to UTC-03:00 at the same time in October 17th. Sorry for providing so little info, so late.-- Mariano Absatz - El Baby mailto:baby@baby.com.ar http://www.baby.com.ar/ PGP KEYS: http://www.baby.com.ar/datos/personales.html#claves_pgp |\ _ _\\/'> Powered by Pegasus Mail /|__) http://www.pmail.com ) )\ ----------------------------------------------------------- The sex was so good that even the neighbors had a cigarette.
Thanks for reporting the news about the 8 other provinces in Argentina that just moved their clocks. I'll submit a proposed patch to the tz list shortly. For now, I'll assume that this is a special year due to a power shortage, and that next year the 9 provinces plan to revert to UTC+3 all year. If this isn't correct, please let me know.
Gee... they keep changing things. First, this weekend, the Province of Tucumán decided it'd go back to UTC-03:00 yesterday midnight (that is, at 24:00 Saturday 12th), since the people's annoyance with the change is much higher than the power savings obtained (originally estimated in about 5% and apparently yelding only about 1% of I don't quite know what measure). http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/06/12/de_609614.asp So, oficially, Tucumán went back last weekend. What's more, Tierra del Fuego is studying also the possibility of going back to UTC-03:00 earlier than originally stated, since the short afternoons would also affect the upcoming ski season, although it's not clear when will that happen (if it will). http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/06/10/de_609078.asp I'll try to keep you posted :-/ El 14 Jun 2004 a las 0:53, Paul Eggert escribió:
Thanks for reporting the news about the 8 other provinces in Argentina that just moved their clocks. I'll submit a proposed patch to the tz list shortly.
For now, I'll assume that this is a special year due to a power shortage, and that next year the 9 provinces plan to revert to UTC+3 all year. If this isn't correct, please let me know.
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"Mariano Absatz" <baby@baby.com.ar> writes:
Tucumán went back last weekend.
Since Tucuman is splitting from {La Rioja, San Juan, San Luis, Chubut}, we'll need another tz name for the latter set. By far the largest city in that region is San Juan, but "America/San Juan" is too ambiguous (Argentina? Puerto Rico?) so it appears we'll have to create an Argentina subdirectory to remove the ambiguity. I'm considering going with these names: America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires America/Argentina/Cordoba America/Argentina/Tucuman America/Argentina/San_Juan America/Argentina/Jujuy America/Argentina/Catamarca America/Argentina/Mendoza America/Argentina/Rio_Gallegos with links in the 'backward' file for the traditional names like America/Buenos_Aires. Comments?
What's more, Tierra del Fuego is studying also the possibility.... I'll try to keep you posted :-/
Thanks for letting us know. If Tierra del Fuego splits from Santa Cruz, I guess we'll need a separate entry America/Argentina/Ushuaia.
Comments inline El 14 Jun 2004 a las 12:34, Paul Eggert escribió:
"Mariano Absatz" <baby@baby.com.ar> writes:
Tucumán went back last weekend.
Since Tucuman is splitting from {La Rioja, San Juan, San Luis, Chubut}, we'll need another tz name for the latter set. By far the largest city in that region is San Juan, but "America/San Juan" is too ambiguous (Argentina? Puerto Rico?) so it appears we'll have to create an Argentina subdirectory to remove the ambiguity.
I'm considering going with these names:
America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires America/Argentina/Cordoba America/Argentina/Tucuman America/Argentina/San_Juan America/Argentina/Jujuy America/Argentina/Catamarca America/Argentina/Mendoza America/Argentina/Rio_Gallegos
with links in the 'backward' file for the traditional names like America/Buenos_Aires. Comments? I'm fine with it... my only regret is that this nonsense should be so easily avoided... but common sense and politics don't seem to mix, somehow :-(
What's more, Tierra del Fuego is studying also the possibility.... I'll try to keep you posted :-/
Thanks for letting us know. If Tierra del Fuego splits from Santa Cruz, I guess we'll need a separate entry America/Argentina/Ushuaia.
That'd be right... so far, I haven't heard a confirmation (nor a denial) that Tierra del Fuego would go back... I guess they will resolve something as soon as you publish the next release :-) -- Mariano Absatz - El Baby mailto:baby@baby.com.ar http://www.baby.com.ar/ PGP KEYS: http://www.baby.com.ar/datos/personales.html#claves_pgp |\ _ _\\/'> Powered by Pegasus Mail /|__) http://www.pmail.com ) )\ ----------------------------------------------------------- Everyone must believe in something. I believe I'll have another drink. -- W.C. Fields
Translating from one of Mariano Absatz's references
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/06/10/de_609078.asp (starting from the eighth full paragraph):
"The time change in Tierra del Fuego was a conflicted decision from the start. The government had decreed that the measure would take effect on June 1, but a normative error forced the new time to begin three days earlier, from a Saturday to a Sunday, which confused the public, who inundated the Fire Department, Civil Defense, and Police detachments with calls seeking the official time. "Thus, Tierra del Fuego, which had subordinated its adherence to the time change to the decision of Chubut and Santa Cruz, wound up changing ahead of its neighbors." Our understanding was that the change was originally scheduled to take place on June 1 at 00:00 in Chubut, Santa Cruz, Tierra del Fuego (and some other provinces). Sunday was May 30, only two days earlier. So the article contains a contradiction. I would give more credence to the Saturday/Sunday date than the "three days earlier" phrase, and conclude that Tierra del Fuego set its clocks back at 2004-05-30 00:00. If this is correct, an America/Ushuaia zone will have to be created to accommodate this time change. Gwillim Law
"Gwillim Law" <RLAW@nc.rr.com> writes:
I would give more credence to the Saturday/Sunday date than the "three days earlier" phrase, and conclude that Tierra del Fuego set its clocks back at 2004-05-30 00:00. If this is correct, an America/Ushuaia zone will have to be created to accommodate this time change.
That sounds right; thanks for bringing this to our attention. As I mentioned I'm inclined to call it America/Argentina/Ushuaia due to the ambiguity problem with America/San_Juan. I'll put this into my next proposed patch in a day or two unless someone objects. At latitude 54 degrees 48 minutes south, the new Zone entry will be the most southerly outside Antarctica.
Gwillim's right... shame on me to not have noticed it (I'm the one that supposedly reads Spanish)... Indeed, Ushuaia is the Southmost (or however you say that) city in the world, AFAIK. El 14 Jun 2004 a las 23:39, Paul Eggert escribió:
"Gwillim Law" <RLAW@nc.rr.com> writes:
I would give more credence to the Saturday/Sunday date than the "three days earlier" phrase, and conclude that Tierra del Fuego set its clocks back at 2004-05-30 00:00. If this is correct, an America/Ushuaia zone will have to be created to accommodate this time change.
That sounds right; thanks for bringing this to our attention. As I mentioned I'm inclined to call it America/Argentina/Ushuaia due to the ambiguity problem with America/San_Juan. I'll put this into my next proposed patch in a day or two unless someone objects.
At latitude 54 degrees 48 minutes south, the new Zone entry will be the most southerly outside Antarctica.
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Here's an updated version of the patch to fix the currently-incorrect clock settings we have for several provinces in Argentina; it incorporates the recent messages from Mariano Absatz and Gwillim Law (thanks!). =================================================================== RCS file: RCS/backward,v retrieving revision 2004.1 retrieving revision 2004.1.0.1 diff -pu -r2004.1 -r2004.1.0.1 --- backward 2004/05/27 16:00:30 2004.1 +++ backward 2004/06/15 21:19:08 2004.1.0.1 @@ -4,9 +4,14 @@ # and their old names. Many names changed in late 1993. Link America/Adak America/Atka +Link America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires America/Buenos_Aires +Link America/Argentina/Catamarca America/Catamarca +Link America/Argentina/Cordoba America/Cordoba Link America/Tijuana America/Ensenada Link America/Indianapolis America/Fort_Wayne +Link America/Argentina/Jujuy America/Jujuy Link America/Indiana/Knox America/Knox_IN +Link America/Argentina/Mendoza America/Mendoza Link America/Rio_Branco America/Porto_Acre Link America/Cordoba America/Rosario Link America/St_Thomas America/Virgin =================================================================== RCS file: RCS/europe,v retrieving revision 2004.1 retrieving revision 2004.1.0.1 diff -pu -r2004.1 -r2004.1.0.1 --- europe 2004/05/27 16:00:30 2004.1 +++ europe 2004/06/14 07:46:16 2004.1.0.1 @@ -921,6 +921,10 @@ Zone Europe/Helsinki 1:39:52 - LMT 1878 2:00 Finland EE%sT 1981 Mar 29 2:00 2:00 EU EE%sT +# Aaland Is +Link Europe/Helsinki Europe/Mariehamn + + # France # From Ciro Discepolo (2000-12-20): =================================================================== RCS file: RCS/southamerica,v retrieving revision 2004.1 retrieving revision 2004.1.0.2 diff -pu -r2004.1 -r2004.1.0.2 --- southamerica 2004/05/27 16:00:30 2004.1 +++ southamerica 2004/06/15 21:19:08 2004.1.0.2 @@ -155,6 +155,37 @@ Rule Arg 2000 only - Mar Sun>=1 0:00 0 - # </a> says that standard time in Argentina from 1894-10-31 # to 1920-05-01 was -4:16:48.25. Go with this more-precise value # over Shanks. +# +# From Mariano Absatz (2004-06-05): +# These media articles from a major newspaper mostly cover the current state: +# http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/05/27/de_604825.asp +# http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/05/28/de_605203.asp +# +# The following eight (8) provinces pulled clocks back to UTC-04:00 at +# midnight Monday May 31st. (that is, the night between 05/31 and 06/01). +# Apparently, all nine provinces would go back to UTC-03:00 at the same +# time in October 17th. +# +# Catamarca, Chubut, La Rioja, San Juan, San Luis, Santa Cruz, +# Tierra del Fuego, Tucuman. +# +# From Mariano Absatz (2004-06-14): +# ... this weekend, the Province of Tucuman decided it'd go back to UTC-03:00 +# yesterday midnight (that is, at 24:00 Saturday 12th), since the people's +# annoyance with the change is much higher than the power savings obtained.... +# +# From Gwillim Law (2004-06-14): +# http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/06/10/de_609078.asp ... +# "The time change in Tierra del Fuego was a conflicted decision from +# the start. The government had decreed that the measure would take +# effect on June 1, but a normative error forced the new time to begin +# three days earlier, from a Saturday to a Sunday.... +# Our understanding was that the change was originally scheduled to take place +# on June 1 at 00:00 in Chubut, Santa Cruz, Tierra del Fuego (and some other +# provinces). Sunday was May 30, only two days earlier. So the article +# contains a contradiction. I would give more credence to the Saturday/Sunday +# date than the "three days earlier" phrase, and conclude that Tierra del +# Fuego set its clocks back at 2004-05-30 00:00. # Unless otherwise specified, data are from Shanks through 1992, from # the IATA otherwise. As noted below, Shanks says that @@ -163,9 +194,8 @@ Rule Arg 2000 only - Mar Sun>=1 0:00 0 - # # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] # -# Buenos Aires (BA), Capital Federal (CF), Santa Cruz (SC), -# Tierra del Fuego, Antartida e Islas del Atlantico Sur (TF) -Zone America/Buenos_Aires -3:53:48 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 +# Buenos Aires (BA), Capital Federal (CF), +Zone America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires -3:53:48 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 -4:16:48 - CMT 1920 May # Cordoba Mean Time -4:00 - ART 1930 Dec -4:00 Arg AR%sT 1969 Oct 5 @@ -174,24 +204,48 @@ Zone America/Buenos_Aires -3:53:48 - LMT -3:00 - ART # # Santa Fe (SF), Entre Rios (ER), Corrientes (CN), Misiones (MN), Chaco (CC), -# Formosa (FM), Salta (SA), Tucuman (TM), Santiago del Estero (SE), -# Cordoba (CB), La Rioja (LR), San Juan (SJ), San Luis (SL), La Pampa (LP), -# Neuquen (NQ), Rio Negro (RN), Chubut (CH) +# Formosa (FM), Salta (SA), Santiago del Estero (SE), Cordoba (CB), +# La Pampa (LP), Neuquen (NQ), Rio Negro (RN) # # Shanks also makes the following claims, which we haven't verified: # - Formosa switched to -3:00 on 1991-01-07. -# - La Rioja and San Juan switched to -4:00 on 1991-03-01 -# and then to -3:00 on 1991-05-07. # - Misiones switched to -3:00 on 1990-12-29. # - Chaco switched to -3:00 on 1991-01-04. -# - San Luis switched to -4:00 on 1990-03-14, then to -3:00 on 1990-10-15, -# then to -4:00 on 1991-03-01, then to -3:00 on 1991-06-01. # - Santiago del Estero switched to -4:00 on 1991-04-01, # then to -3:00 on 1991-04-26. -# If we need to add Zones for these areas, we may need to have a subdirectory -# for Argentina, as e.g. "America/San_Luis" is too ambiguious. # -Zone America/Cordoba -4:16:48 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 +Zone America/Argentina/Cordoba -4:16:48 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 + -4:16:48 - CMT 1920 May + -4:00 - ART 1930 Dec + -4:00 Arg AR%sT 1969 Oct 5 + -3:00 Arg AR%sT 1991 Mar 3 + -4:00 - WART 1991 Oct 20 + -3:00 Arg AR%sT 1999 Oct 3 + -4:00 Arg AR%sT 2000 Mar 3 + -3:00 - ART +# +# Tucuman (TM) +Zone America/Argentina/Tucuman -4:20:52 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 + -4:16:48 - CMT 1920 May + -4:00 - ART 1930 Dec + -4:00 Arg AR%sT 1969 Oct 5 + -3:00 Arg AR%sT 1991 Mar 3 + -4:00 - WART 1991 Oct 20 + -3:00 Arg AR%sT 1999 Oct 3 + -4:00 Arg AR%sT 2000 Mar 3 + -3:00 - ART 2004 Jun 1 + -4:00 - WART 2004 Jun 13 + -3:00 - ART +# +# La Rioja (LR), San Juan (SJ), San Luis (SL), Chubut (CH) +# +# Shanks also makes the following claims, which we haven't verified: +# - La Rioja and San Juan switched to -4:00 on 1991-03-01 +# and then to -3:00 on 1991-05-07. +# - San Luis switched to -4:00 on 1990-03-14, then to -3:00 on 1990-10-15, +# then to -4:00 on 1991-03-01, then to -3:00 on 1991-06-01. +# +Zone America/Argentina/San_Juan -4:34:04 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 -4:16:48 - CMT 1920 May -4:00 - ART 1930 Dec -4:00 Arg AR%sT 1969 Oct 5 @@ -199,10 +253,12 @@ Zone America/Cordoba -4:16:48 - LMT 1894 -4:00 - WART 1991 Oct 20 -3:00 Arg AR%sT 1999 Oct 3 -4:00 Arg AR%sT 2000 Mar 3 + -3:00 - ART 2004 Jun 1 + -4:00 - WART 2004 Oct 17 -3:00 - ART # # Jujuy (JY) -Zone America/Jujuy -4:21:12 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 +Zone America/Argentina/Jujuy -4:21:12 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 -4:16:48 - CMT 1920 May -4:00 - ART 1930 Dec -4:00 Arg AR%sT 1969 Oct 5 @@ -216,7 +272,7 @@ Zone America/Jujuy -4:21:12 - LMT 1894 O -3:00 - ART # # Catamarca (CT) -Zone America/Catamarca -4:23:08 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 +Zone America/Argentina/Catamarca -4:23:08 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 -4:16:48 - CMT 1920 May -4:00 - ART 1930 Dec -4:00 Arg AR%sT 1969 Oct 5 @@ -224,10 +280,12 @@ Zone America/Catamarca -4:23:08 - LMT 18 -4:00 - WART 1991 Oct 20 -3:00 Arg AR%sT 1999 Oct 3 -4:00 Arg AR%sT 2000 Mar 3 + -3:00 - ART 2004 Jun 1 + -4:00 - WART 2004 Oct 17 -3:00 - ART # # Mendoza (MZ) -Zone America/Mendoza -4:35:16 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 +Zone America/Argentina/Mendoza -4:35:16 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 -4:16:48 - CMT 1920 May -4:00 - ART 1930 Dec -4:00 Arg AR%sT 1969 Oct 5 @@ -242,6 +300,28 @@ Zone America/Mendoza -4:35:16 - LMT 1894 -3:00 - ART 2004 May 23 -4:00 - WART 2004 Oct 17 -3:00 - ART +# +# Santa Cruz (SC) +Zone America/Argentina/Rio_Gallegos -4:36:52 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 + -4:16:48 - CMT 1920 May # Cordoba Mean Time + -4:00 - ART 1930 Dec + -4:00 Arg AR%sT 1969 Oct 5 + -3:00 Arg AR%sT 1999 Oct 3 + -4:00 Arg AR%sT 2000 Mar 3 + -3:00 - ART 2004 Jun 1 + -4:00 - WART 2004 Oct 17 + -3:00 - ART +# +# Tierra del Fuego, Antartida e Islas del Atlantico Sur (TF) +Zone America/Argentina/Ushuaia -4:33:12 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 + -4:16:48 - CMT 1920 May # Cordoba Mean Time + -4:00 - ART 1930 Dec + -4:00 Arg AR%sT 1969 Oct 5 + -3:00 Arg AR%sT 1999 Oct 3 + -4:00 Arg AR%sT 2000 Mar 3 + -3:00 - ART 2004 May 30 + -4:00 - WART 2004 Oct 17 + -3:00 - ART # Aruba # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] =================================================================== RCS file: RCS/iso3166.tab,v retrieving revision 2003.5 retrieving revision 2003.5.0.1 diff -pu -r2003.5 -r2003.5.0.1 --- iso3166.tab 2003/12/15 14:36:37 2003.5 +++ iso3166.tab 2004/06/14 07:46:16 2003.5.0.1 @@ -2,11 +2,11 @@ # # @(#)iso3166.tab 1.14 # -# From Paul Eggert <eggert@twinsun.com> (2003-02-04): +# From Paul Eggert <eggert@twinsun.com> (2004-06-14): # # This file contains a table with the following columns: # 1. ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 country code, current as of -# ISO 3166-1 Newsletter No. V-8 (2003-07-23). See: +# ISO 3166-1 Newsletter No. V-10 (2004-04-26). See: # <a href="http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/index.html"> # ISO 3166 Maintenance agency (ISO 3166/MA) # </a>. @@ -36,6 +36,7 @@ AS Samoa (American) AT Austria AU Australia AW Aruba +AX Aaland Islands AZ Azerbaijan BA Bosnia & Herzegovina BB Barbados =================================================================== RCS file: RCS/zone.tab,v retrieving revision 2003.4 retrieving revision 2003.4.0.2 diff -pu -r2003.4 -r2003.4.0.2 --- zone.tab 2003/10/06 13:32:21 2003.4 +++ zone.tab 2004/06/15 21:19:08 2003.4.0.2 @@ -41,11 +41,15 @@ AQ -6617+11031 Antarctica/Casey Casey St AQ -7824+10654 Antarctica/Vostok Vostok Station, S Magnetic Pole AQ -6640+14001 Antarctica/DumontDUrville Dumont-d'Urville Base, Terre Adelie AQ -690022+0393524 Antarctica/Syowa Syowa Station, E Ongul I -AR -3436-05827 America/Buenos_Aires E Argentina (BA, DF, SC, TF) -AR -3124-06411 America/Cordoba most locations (CB,CC,CH,CN,ER,FM,LP,LR,MN,NQ,RN,SA,SE,SF,SJ,SL,TM) -AR -2411-06518 America/Jujuy Jujuy (JY) -AR -2828-06547 America/Catamarca Catamarca (CT) -AR -3253-06849 America/Mendoza Mendoza (MZ) +AR -3436-05827 America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires Buenos Aires (BA, CF) +AR -3124-06411 America/Argentina/Cordoba most locations (CB, CC, CN, ER, FM, LP, MN, NQ, RN, SA, SE, SF) +AR -3124-06411 America/Argentina/Tucuman Tucuman (TM) +AR -3132-06831 America/Argentina/San_Juan La Rioja, San Juan, San Luis, Chubut (CH, LR, SJ, SL) +AR -2411-06518 America/Argentina/Jujuy Jujuy (JY) +AR -2828-06547 America/Argentina/Catamarca Catamarca (CT) +AR -3253-06849 America/Argentina/Mendoza Mendoza (MZ) +AR -5138-06913 America/Argentina/Rio_Gallegos Santa Cruz (SC) +AR -5448-06818 America/Argentina/Ushuaia Tierra del Fuego (TF) AS -1416-17042 Pacific/Pago_Pago AT +4813+01620 Europe/Vienna AU -3133+15905 Australia/Lord_Howe Lord Howe Island @@ -59,6 +63,7 @@ AU -3455+13835 Australia/Adelaide South AU -1228+13050 Australia/Darwin Northern Territory AU -3157+11551 Australia/Perth Western Australia AW +1230-06858 America/Aruba +AX +6006+01957 Europe/Mariehamn AZ +4023+04951 Asia/Baku BA +4352+01825 Europe/Sarajevo BB +1306-05937 America/Barbados =================================================================== RCS file: RCS/tz-link.htm,v retrieving revision 2004.1 retrieving revision 2004.1.0.1 diff -pu -r2004.1 -r2004.1.0.1 --- tz-link.htm 2004/05/27 16:00:30 2004.1 +++ tz-link.htm 2004/06/14 07:46:16 2004.1.0.1 @@ -9,7 +9,7 @@ <meta http-equiv="Content-type" content='text/html; charset="US-ASCII"' /> <meta name="DC.Creator" content="Eggert, Paul" /> <meta name="DC.Contributor" content="Olson, Arthur David" /> -<meta name="DC.Date" content="2004-05-24" /> +<meta name="DC.Date" content="2004-06-14" /> <meta name="DC.Description" content="Sources of information about time zones and daylight saving time" /> <meta name="DC.Identifier" content="http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm" /> @@ -109,9 +109,6 @@ World</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.convertit.com/Go/ConvertIt/World_Time/Current_Time.ASP">Current Time in 1000 Places</a></li> <li><a href="http://timezoneconverter.com/">Time Zone Converter</a></li> </ul></li> -<li><a href="http://www.holidayfestival.com/">The Worldwide Holiday -& Festival Site</a> lists DST-related clock changes along with -holidays.</li> <li><a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/">The World Clock - Time Zones</a> is a web interface to a time zone database derived from @@ -152,9 +149,8 @@ contains a script <code>parse_olson</cod <code>tz</code> source into <a href="http://www.perl.org/">Perl</a> modules. It is part of the Perl <a href="http://datetime.perl.org/">DateTime Project</a>, which is freely -available under both the GPL and the Perl <a -href="http://www.perl.com/language/misc/Artistic.html">Artistic -License</a>. DateTime::TimeZone also contains a script +available under both the GPL and the Perl Artistic +License. DateTime::TimeZone also contains a script <code>tests_from_zdump</code> that generates test cases for each clock transition in the <code>tz</code> database.</li> <li><a href="http://oss.software.ibm.com/icu/">International Components for @@ -184,7 +180,7 @@ is a <code>tz</code> binary file reader href="http://www.python.org/">Python</a>. It is freely available under a BSD-style license.</li> </ul> -<h2>Other <code>tz</code>-based time zone conversion software</h2> +<h2>Other <code>tz</code>-based time zone conversion software and standards</h2> <ul> <li><a href="http://java.sun.com/">Sun Java</a> releases since 1.4 contain a copy of a recent <samp>tz</samp> database in a Java-specific @@ -195,10 +191,16 @@ time zones calculator</a> is a HyperCard <li><a href="http://www.cimmyt.org/timezone/">World Time Explorer</a> is a Microsoft Windows program.</li> +<li><a +href="http://oss.software.ibm.com/cvs/icu/~checkout~/icuhtml/design/formatting/time_zone_localization.html">Time +Zone Localization</a> is a proposed mechanism for localizing time zone +labels and abbreviations; for example, one might use it to specify +Russian translations for "Eastern European Summer Time", "EEST", and +<code>Europe/Bucharest</code>.</li> </ul> <h2>Other time zone databases</h2> <ul> -<li><a href="http://www.astro.com/cgi-bin/atlw3/aq.cgi?lang=e">Atlas Query +<li><a href="http://www.astro.com/cgi/aq.cgi?lang=e">Atlas Query - Astrodienst</a> is Astrodienst's Web version of Shanks's excellent time zone history atlases published in both <a href="http://astrocom.com/software/pcatlas.php">computer</a> and <a @@ -217,7 +219,7 @@ for the <code>usno*</code> files in the <li><a href="http://www.airportcitycodes.com/aaa/">Airlines, Airplanes and Airports</a> lists current standard times for thousands of airports around the world. This seems to be derived from -the <a href="http://www.iata.org/sked/publications/">Standard +the <a href="http://www.iata.org/ps/publications/9179.htm">Standard Schedules Information Manual (SSIM)</a> of the the <a href="http://www.iata.org/">International Air Transport Association</a>, @@ -252,9 +254,7 @@ boundaries between time zones within cou <li>Manifold.net's <a href="http://www.manifold.net/download/freemaps.html">Free Maps and GIS Data</a> includes a Manifold-format map of world time zone -boundaries distributed under the GPL. The GeoCommunity's <a -href="http://software.geocomm.com/data/intl_timezones.html">International -Time Zones</a> publishes the same data in other formats.</li> +boundaries distributed under the GPL.</li> <li>The US Geological Survey's National Atlas of the United States publishes the <a href="http://www.nationalatlas.gov/timeznm.html">Time Zones of the United States</a> in the public domain.</li>
Ha, you thought it'd be just that easy? Nah... we won't settle for only a change per week, we want no less than two changes a week. The rest of the Provinces that changed the timezone but two (Mendoza and San Juan) will go back to UTC-03:00 next weekend at midnight between Saturday and Sunday. So, Catamarca, La Rioja, Chubut, Santa Cruz and Tierra del Fuego will join Tucumán's last week repentment: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/06/16/de_610634.asp And a nice map in http://tinyurl.com/2y3u3 <sigh>... El 15 Jun 2004 a las 14:32, Paul Eggert escribió:
Here's an updated version of the patch to fix the currently-incorrect clock settings we have for several provinces in Argentina; it incorporates the recent messages from Mariano Absatz and Gwillim Law (thanks!).
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http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/06/16/de_610634.asp shows clearly that San Luis never set its clocks back in the (local) fall of
The latest article forwarded by Mariano Absatz - 2004. An earlier article in a different paper, http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/06/16/de_610634.asp, states just as clearly that San Luis had decided, as of May 27, to go back one hour on June 1. Does anyone know what really happened? Gwillim Law
"Gwillim Law" <RLAW@nc.rr.com> writes:
>> http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/06/16/de_610634.asp
> shows clearly that San Luis never set its clocks back in the (local) fall of
> 2004. An earlier article in a different paper,
> http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/06/16/de_610634.asp, states just as clearly
> that San Luis had decided, as of May 27, to go back one hour on June 1.
Hmm, the two URLs in your email are identical. However, I'd guess
that the later article is more likely to be correct. (My Spanish is
weak, but as I understand it the later article's text doesn't mention
San Luis, but the accompanying map indicates that San Luis never changed.)
> Does anyone know what really happened?
Not I.
However, I plan to prepare yet another patch assuming that San Luis
didn't change, unless we get more info. Thanks for mentioning it.
Since San Juan is splitting from { La Rioja, Chubut } we'll need a new
zone entry to represent the latter region. www.gazetteer.de says that
the largest city in this region is Comodoro Rivadavia (2004
pop. 164,500), but that name is too long for POSIX's 14-byte limit.
So I'm inclined to choose the nearly-as-large
America/Argentina/La_Rioja (2004 pop. 151,200); that name will be a
bit easier to remember anyway, as it's the same name as its province.
If there's a common abbreviation for "Comodoro Rivadavia" perhaps
that'd be a better choice. (We may need a zone for Chubut anyway, if
things change again next week. :-)
<http://www.dropby.com/Genealogia/abreviaturas.html> and
<http://www.protocolo.org/gest_web/proto_Seccion.pl?arefid=617> both
say that "Comod." is a Spanish abbreviation for "Comodoro", but even
Comod_Rivadavia is one byte too long. I suppose we could go with
America/Argentina/ComodRivadavia in a pinch.
El 22 Jun 2004 a las 15:02, Paul Eggert escribió:
> "Gwillim Law" <RLAW@nc.rr.com> writes:
>
> >> http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/06/16/de_610634.asp
> > shows clearly that San Luis never set its clocks back in the (local) fall of
> > 2004. An earlier article in a different paper,
> > http://www.lanacion.com.ar/04/06/16/de_610634.asp, states just as clearly
> > that San Luis had decided, as of May 27, to go back one hour on June 1.
>
> Hmm, the two URLs in your email are identical. However, I'd guess
> that the later article is more likely to be correct. (My Spanish is
> weak, but as I understand it the later article's text doesn't mention
> San Luis, but the accompanying map indicates that San Luis never changed.)
>
> > Does anyone know what really happened?
>
> Not I.
Not completely... I couldn't get anyone who knows someone living in San
Luis to tell me... I know they DID change to UTC-04:00, but I don't know if
it was on May 29th or 31st midnight. They DID go back to UTC-03:00 last
weekend (at midnight June 19th) with other Provinces.
>
> However, I plan to prepare yet another patch assuming that San Luis
> didn't change, unless we get more info. Thanks for mentioning it.
>
> Since San Juan is splitting from { La Rioja, Chubut } we'll need a new
> zone entry to represent the latter region. www.gazetteer.de says that
> the largest city in this region is Comodoro Rivadavia (2004
> pop. 164,500), but that name is too long for POSIX's 14-byte limit.
> So I'm inclined to choose the nearly-as-large
> America/Argentina/La_Rioja (2004 pop. 151,200); that name will be a
> bit easier to remember anyway, as it's the same name as its province.
>
> If there's a common abbreviation for "Comodoro Rivadavia" perhaps
> that'd be a better choice. (We may need a zone for Chubut anyway, if
> things change again next week. :-)
> <http://www.dropby.com/Genealogia/abreviaturas.html> and
> <http://www.protocolo.org/gest_web/proto_Seccion.pl?arefid=617> both
> say that "Comod." is a Spanish abbreviation for "Comodoro", but even
> Comod_Rivadavia is one byte too long. I suppose we could go with
> America/Argentina/ComodRivadavia in a pinch.
>
I'´ve most often seen Cdro. Rivadavia than Comod. Rivadavia, but we're only
saving 1 character... people familiar with the zone usually call the city
just 'Comodoro' but I don't know if that would be proper...
BTW, I don't even know for certain if all the Provinces that would've gone
back last weekend did so :-(
I've just e-mailed the Ministerio del Interior to see if they have
consolidated data and are willing to inform me or point me somewhere
else...
I'll keep you posted.
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