tzdb under the ASIS&T microscope
tzdb was the subject of an academic study published at the most recent annual meeting of the Association for Information Science & Technology: Hauser E. UNIX time, UTC, and datetime: Jussivity, prolepsis, and incorrigibility in modern timekeeping. Proc ASIS&T. 2018;55(1):161-70. https://doi.org/10.1002/pra2.2018.14505501018 For those of us not into the lingo, "jussivity" refers to how much a word or concept commands or exhorts us, and is related to the jussive mood of verbs in some languages. For example in the Latin phrase "doceas iter" ("teach the way") in the Aeneid, the mood of "doceas" means that people ought to teach the way. "Prolepsis" refers to foreshadowing, as in a proleptic calendar that is projected backward into the past or projected into the future. "Incorrigibility" refers to the property of a belief that a person cannot give up; here, the idea is that tzdb provides its own grounds for truth and its users can't (and don't want to) correct tzdb. As you can probably tell from my having to explain the words in the title, the tz mailing list was not the intended audience of this paper. Still, it can be amusing to see how outsiders see us.
On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
tzdb was the subject of an academic study published at the most recent annual meeting of the Association for Information Science & Technology:
Hauser E. UNIX time, UTC, and datetime: Jussivity, prolepsis, and incorrigibility in modern timekeeping. Proc ASIS&T. 2018;55(1):161-70. https://doi.org/10.1002/pra2.2018.14505501018
I'll have to see what libraries carry that journal and will let me into their stacks, as they sure don't seem to have any mechanism by which civilians can buy a copy of the PDF - I went through all the trouble of setting up an account with Wiley, and logged into it, and all they do when I ask for the PDF is say You are logged in as guy@alum.mit.edu If this is not you and you think you have access, please log out and log into your Wiley Online Library account. I have no institution to which I belong that has access.
Guy Harris wrote:
Hauser E. UNIX time, UTC, and datetime: Jussivity, prolepsis, and incorrigibility in modern timekeeping. Proc ASIS&T. 2018;55(1):161-70. https://doi.org/10.1002/pra2.2018.14505501018 I'll have to see what libraries carry that journal and will let me into their stacks
"Stacks"? What are those? :-) The author's email address is eah13 at email.unc.edu and you might have some luck writing him directly for a copy. Warning: the paper is chock-full of phrases like "nonconscious cognition", "tertiary retention of machinic time", and "therapeutic interventions into temporal cognitive assemblages".
One can read the paper here: https://www.academia.edu/37727734/UNIX_Time_UTC_and_Datetime_Jussivity_Prole... On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 7:58 PM Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
Guy Harris wrote:
Hauser E. UNIX time, UTC, and datetime: Jussivity, prolepsis, and incorrigibility in modern timekeeping. Proc ASIS&T. 2018;55(1):161-70. https://doi.org/10.1002/pra2.2018.14505501018 I'll have to see what libraries carry that journal and will let me into their stacks
"Stacks"? What are those? :-)
The author's email address is eah13 at email.unc.edu and you might have some luck writing him directly for a copy. Warning: the paper is chock-full of phrases like "nonconscious cognition", "tertiary retention of machinic time", and "therapeutic interventions into temporal cognitive assemblages".
But it looks like you have to authorize them to download your contacts — nasty. Mark On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:38 AM Andrew Paprocki <andrew@ishiboo.com> wrote:
One can read the paper here:
https://www.academia.edu/37727734/UNIX_Time_UTC_and_Datetime_Jussivity_Prole...
On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 7:58 PM Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
Guy Harris wrote:
Hauser E. UNIX time, UTC, and datetime: Jussivity, prolepsis, and incorrigibility in modern timekeeping. Proc ASIS&T. 2018;55(1):161-70. https://doi.org/10.1002/pra2.2018.14505501018 I'll have to see what libraries carry that journal and will let me into their stacks
"Stacks"? What are those? :-)
The author's email address is eah13 at email.unc.edu and you might have some luck writing him directly for a copy. Warning: the paper is chock-full of phrases like "nonconscious cognition", "tertiary retention of machinic time", and "therapeutic interventions into temporal cognitive assemblages".
On Mar 17, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Mark Davis ☕️ <mark@macchiato.com> wrote:
But it looks like you have to authorize them to download your contacts — nasty.
I must have missed the authorization to use my contacts part; I *did* skip the "follow these people" step, so if it happens when you click the "Follow" button, that'd probably be why I didn't see it. Or perhaps Safari just gave them the contacts without asking my permission, or maybe Safari just told them "no" without asking whether I wanted to allow it.
It isn't obvious at first, but you didn't need to do anything to read the paper -- you can simply scroll down and read all the pages instead of clicking on the download buttons. On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 2:39 PM Mark Davis ☕️ <mark@macchiato.com> wrote:
But it looks like you have to authorize them to download your contacts — nasty. Mark
On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:38 AM Andrew Paprocki <andrew@ishiboo.com> wrote:
One can read the paper here:
https://www.academia.edu/37727734/UNIX_Time_UTC_and_Datetime_Jussivity_Prole...
On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 7:58 PM Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
Guy Harris wrote:
Hauser E. UNIX time, UTC, and datetime: Jussivity, prolepsis, and incorrigibility in modern timekeeping. Proc ASIS&T. 2018;55(1):161-70. https://doi.org/10.1002/pra2.2018.14505501018 I'll have to see what libraries carry that journal and will let me into their stacks
"Stacks"? What are those? :-)
The author's email address is eah13 at email.unc.edu and you might have some luck writing him directly for a copy. Warning: the paper is chock-full of phrases like "nonconscious cognition", "tertiary retention of machinic time", and "therapeutic interventions into temporal cognitive assemblages".
On 2019-03-17, at 13:11:48, Andrew Paprocki wrote:
It isn't obvious at first, but you didn't need to do anything to read the paper -- you can simply scroll down and read all the pages instead of clicking on the download buttons. ... "Stacks"? What are those? :-)
The author's email address is eah13 at email.unc.edu and you might have some luck writing him directly for a copy. Warning: the paper is chock-full of phrases like "nonconscious cognition", "tertiary retention of machinic time", and "therapeutic interventions into temporal cognitive assemblages".
Sometimes there's a way: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2085:_arXiv https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2025:_Peer_Review -- gil
On Mar 17, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Andrew Paprocki <andrew@ishiboo.com> wrote:
One can read the paper here:
https://www.academia.edu/37727734/UNIX_Time_UTC_and_Datetime_Jussivity_Prole...
Thanks. "Welcome to Academia, Guy" I'm sure an enterprising graduate student in the sort of departments that write papers such as this would have a lot to say about how that message was worded....
On Mar 17, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Guy Harris <guy@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
"Welcome to Academia, Guy"
An organization whose website is handling the tzdb in the fashion that several of us here have excoriated - the "Time Zone" drop-down menu in the profile page... ...just dumps out a list of tzdb file pathnames, even including backwards-compatibility links, and even including US/Pacific-New.
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