Joanne Kneafsey is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Joanne Kneafsey [mailto:jo@oftv.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 4:54 AM To: tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov Subject: Re: History of Time Zones To Whom This May Concern, We are currently producing a documentary for Channel 4 about Rasputin. The director has a theory that he would like to put in the film. On June 27th 1914 Frans Ferdinand was shot in Sarajevo, which ultimately started the First World War. On that same day Rasputin was stabbed in Tyumen in Russia. His theory is that these two events happened around the same time across different time zones. The shooting in Sarajevo happened at 12 noon. Please can you tell me what time it would have been in Tyumen, Russia? If you have any further queries then please contact me. Kind Regards, Joanne Kneafsey Joanne Kneafsey Oxford Film & Television 6 Erskine Road London NW3 3AJ t: 020 7483 3637 f: 020 7483 3567 email: jo@oftv.co.uk <mailto:jo@oftv.co.uk> Mob: 07787 190238
We are currently producing a documentary for Channel 4 about Rasputin. The director has a theory that he would like to put in the film. On June 27th 1914 Frans Ferdinand was shot in Sarajevo, which ultimately started the First World War. On that same day Rasputin was stabbed in Tyumen in Russia. His theory is that these two events happened around the same time across different time zones. The shooting in Sarajevo happened at 12 noon.
Dear Joanne Kneafsey, What are your primary sources for the date and the hour of Rasputin's stabbing? They do not sound very reliable to me. According to a quick search on the internet, Rasputin was stabbed (not fatally, that happened two years later) in Pokrovskoye, the village of his birth. He was hospitalized in Tyumen and was operated on by a physician who was specially sent from St. Petersburg. If the shooting of Franz Ferdinand occurred at noon in Sarajevo, this was equivalent with 11h 00m GMT (UT), as Serbia followed Central European Time since 1884. Finding out how late that was in Pokrovskoye, is more tricky. I doubt whether zonal time was already adopted in those regions (my sources indicate that this were first introduced in 1931), it seems more likely that used mean local time. I cannot find Pokrovskoye in my atlas but assuming that it lies close to Tyumen (65.5 degrees East), local time there would be running about 4 hours and 22 minutes ahead of GMT (UT). The shooting of Franz Ferdinand would then have occurred around 15h 22m local time (say close to half past three in the afternoon). Your only problem is now finding a source confirming this time according to a Pokrovskoye clock. ======================================================== * Robert H. van Gent * Tel/Fax: 00-31-30-2720269 * * Zaagmolenkade 50 * * * 3515 AE Utrecht * E-mail: r.h.vangent@astro.uu.nl * * The Netherlands * * ******************************************************** * Home page: http://www.phys.uu.nl/~vgent/homepage.htm * ========================================================
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:51:10 +0200 From: "R.H. van Gent" <r.h.vangent@phys.uu.nl>
We are currently producing a documentary for Channel 4 about Rasputin. The director has a theory that he would like to put in the film. On June 27th 1914 Frans Ferdinand was shot in Sarajevo, which ultimately started the First World War. On that same day Rasputin was stabbed in Tyumen in Russia. His theory is that these two events happened around the same time across different time zones. The shooting in Sarajevo happened at 12 noon.
What are your primary sources for the date and the hour of Rasputin's stabbing? They do not sound very reliable to me.
For what it's worth, <http://www.geocities.com/jesusib/Spala.html> says that Rasputin was stabbed "some hours before" Franz Ferdinand was killed. Even if the two events actually occurred at the same time, it was entirely accidental. That is because the Sarajevo assassinations (of Franz Ferdinand and his wife) were done opportunistically. The planned assassination (earlier that day) had failed. The actual assassinations took place only because Franz Ferdinand's driver took a wrong turn and had to stop to back up, and this happened to occur in front of a store where one of the assassins happened to be buying lunch. So I strongly suspect that Franz Ferdinand's shooting didn't occur exactly at noon Sarajevo time. For what it's worth <http://www.considerations-mag.com/1901.htm> claims that the assassination of Franz Ferdinand occurred at 09:34 Universal Time, which would be 10:34 Sarajevo time.
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:06:15PM -0700, Paul Eggert wrote:
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:51:10 +0200 From: "R.H. van Gent" <r.h.vangent@phys.uu.nl>
We are currently producing a documentary for Channel 4 about Rasputin. The director has a theory that he would like to put in the film. On June 27th 1914 Frans Ferdinand was shot in Sarajevo, which ultimately started the First World War. On that same day Rasputin was stabbed in Tyumen in Russia. His theory is that these two events happened around the same time across different time zones. The shooting in Sarajevo happened at 12 noon.
What are your primary sources for the date and the hour of Rasputin's stabbing? They do not sound very reliable to me.
For what it's worth, <http://www.geocities.com/jesusib/Spala.html> says that Rasputin was stabbed "some hours before" Franz Ferdinand was killed.
i wonder if any of these sources are calendar corrected or not. at the time both of these events took place, i'm pretty sure that russia had not yet actually adopted the gregorian reform, whereas yugoslavia had. -- |-----< "CODE WARRIOR" >-----| codewarrior@daemon.org * "ah! i see you have the internet twofsonet@graffiti.com (Andrew Brown) that goes *ping*!" andrew@crossbar.com * "information is power -- share the wealth."
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R.H. van Gent