Re: Time Zone change in GEORGIA (Eastern Europe), time zone is no w GMT+3 (no longer GMT+4)

Hmm, interesting discussion.
By that reasoning, since France and the United States belonged to SEATO (the South-East Asia Treaty Organization), they must be Southeast Asian countries.
I agree with the fact that since a country once belonged to SEATO is not a reason enough to consider a country Asian, but being a EU member, thus being a part of Europian economy, Europian jurisprudence (and bringing your legislation into line with over 90 000 pages of regulations controling everything from fiscal policies to banana-quality standards, like Kim Iskyan suggested), having Euro as a national currency, also being culturally, historically and religiously more Europian than Asian, being a geographical part of Europe, being a member of Europian Council, being politically targeted to Euro-intergration, being a historical and genetic ancestor of all the Europian people, being a member of UN Economic Commission of Europe, adhering EU dst rules, should, in my ipinion, let us think about considering putting the country link in Europian region as well :) Is there any rule that would let us decide whether a country is purely Asian or Europian one? Do we consider the historical, cultural, racial, political, religous and geographical factors, or just geographical? Has there ever been a strict definition where the border between Europe and Asia lies? I think when deviding Europe and Asia historicans or geographers usually considered the cultural background, along with current political state of a country. A clear example can be Byzantine empire, which was purely-europian and it would be improper to refer to it as an Asian country or empire, but since taken over by Ottoman Empire in 15th cent. AD, the country became purely Asian and very little remained from the Byzantine culture, behavour and spirit. Untill 19th cent., it would be improper to refer to Turkey (or Ottoman Empire) as Europian. After that period, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk chose more or less wetern political direction, which led to present-day Turkey, which, along with its Asian culture, is becoming a part of Europe too. What I want to say is that as borders and definitions of countries and empires change as time goes by, so does the geographical definitions of them. Eugene Volokh has some interesting views on the subject too: http://www.mail-archive.com/volokh-l@lists.ucla.edu/msg02346.html and http://www.mail-archive.com/volokh-l@lists.ucla.edu/msg02474.html
OK, to do that, in my next proposed update I'll add a cross reference from the "europe" file to the "asia" file. We already do this sort of thing for Turkey and Russia, two other countries that straddle the boundary between Europe and Asia. I've drafted this change:
Yes, I think that would be the best solution.
I agree with the approach, but I would not recommend the text you have. As I said, the best reference in all such cases is the UN Statistics Division: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm. That is, for example, what the proposed successor to RFC 3066 (language tags, as used in HTML and XML) is using. And according to that, Georgia is in Asia.
I am not sure if we can rely on it as the only source. Like I mention above, the UN itself is not strict with its division of Europe and Asia, as there are many "Euroasian" countries in its Europian commissions. When it comes to RFC country-specific standards and language codes, we can definetely refer to it as a standard and try to correct any irregularities right there at first, should the case concern the language or country codes, though not when we are talking about defining a country as Europian or Asian. Sorry for the long mail :) Regards, Aiet

Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:48:18 +0300 From: Aiet Kolkhi <aiet@qartuli.net> Message-ID: <8010616791.20041101194818@qartuli.net> | Is there any rule that would let us decide whether a country is purely | Asian or Europian one? The first thing to say is that we really don't decide (others do), so continuing this discussion here is a waste of time really. But to follow your line or reasoning, you'd need to conclude that the US and Canada are European, as are Australia and New Zealand, and perhaps South Africa. While Georgia, being close to, and perhaps straddling, the geographic divide between Europe and Asia is a case where arguments can be made that seem to make sense, in those others, you simply can't - neither Australia nor the US is Eurpoean for any sense that matters here (which is simply to divide up the list of zones so there aren't too many in any one directory). kre
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