Morocco to fall back Sept. 27, not Oct. 25
The attached proposed patch implements a change noted in yesterday's Morocco World News. I have not seen an official announcement by the Moroccan government. I suppose we'll need a new tzdata release soon, as the change takes effect in less than nine days.
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Paul Eggert wrote:
The attached proposed patch implements a change noted in yesterday's Morocco World News. I have not seen an official announcement by the Moroccan government. I suppose we'll need a new tzdata release soon, as the change takes effect in less than nine days.
Just curious, but why did you do this: -Rule Morocco 2036 only - Oct 19 3:00 0 - -Rule Morocco 2037 only - Oct 4 3:00 0 - cheers, Derick
Derick Rethans wrote:
Just curious, but why did you do this:
-Rule Morocco 2036 only - Oct 19 3:00 0 - -Rule Morocco 2037 only - Oct 4 3:00 0 -
The old prediction had DST going until late October, except not during Ramadan, and those dates were predicted to be the last Sunday before Ramadan. The proposed new prediction has DST going until late September, so Ramadan already safely falls after DST ends in those two years, and there's no longer any need for those two special cases.
While this might be true, I would suggest waiting for more information or an official confirmation before making this change, as there are a few things in the article that are a bit strange: http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015/09/168089/morocco-to-return-to-gmt-on-s... First of all it says "Morocco returns to standard time (GMT) every year on the last Sunday of September, which marks this year September 27." which we know is not true for past two years. Secondly, there are two user comments to the article, claiming it is wrong (and still in October). Finally, after spending some time on official websites and other news sites for Morocco, we have not found anything confirming this. The article says the Ministry of Public Service and Modernization of Administration had a statement about this on Tuesday, while their site http://www.mmsp.gov.ma still does not have this info available online, as they usually do for any change of legal time: http://www.mmsp.gov.ma/fr/actualites.aspx?id=889 (end of Ramadan 2015) http://www.mmsp.gov.ma/fr/actualites.aspx?id=863 (for Ramadan 2015) http://www.mmsp.gov.ma/fr/actualites.aspx?id=805 (for start of DST 2015) http://www.mmsp.gov.ma/fr/actualites.aspx?id=688 (for DST end 2014) Best regards, Steffen Thorsen - timeanddate.com On 18.09.2015 09:30, Paul Eggert wrote:
The attached proposed patch implements a change noted in yesterday's Morocco World News. I have not seen an official announcement by the Moroccan government. I suppose we'll need a new tzdata release soon, as the change takes effect in less than nine days.
Steffen Thorsen wrote:
First of all it says "Morocco returns to standard time (GMT) every year on the last Sunday of September, which marks this year September 27." which we know is not true for past two years.
Yes, I noticed that too. I interpreted it to mean that the general rule has been changed to last Sunday of September. Even if that sentence is technically correct, though, it is a reporting error; the article should have said that the general rule has changed, not merely given the new rule as if it has been that way for some time.
Secondly, there are two user comments to the article, claiming it is wrong (and still in October).
Sure, but one of those objections cites Google, which uses tzdata, so that's not much of an objection; the other objection just says "Wrong. It's October 25th." which is not much to go on.
Finally, after spending some time on official websites and other news sites for Morocco, we have not found anything confirming this.
Yes, I had the same experience. The newest press release from that ministry: http://www.mmsp.gov.ma/fr/actualites.aspx?id=903 is undated, but its metadata is Sept. 15. Quite likely there is some delay in getting their announcements online. Another possibility is that the actual decision has not been made and the news article is merely a trial balloon. I was more inclined to guess that the article reflects an official decision, though, as that news agency's predictions have been good in the past. However, given the uncertainty mentioned above, and given the dueling article mentioned by Alexander Krivenyshev, I would like some better confirmation before making an official release.
Dear all, Please note this article talking about an official communication from ANRT telecom regulator, which confirm to us (as a telco operator) that it's Oct.25 : http://www.lavieeco.com/news/actualites/retour-a-l-heure-legale-gmt-dimanche... thanks. Elmehdi Erroussafi Manager Core Voice/Data/Vas Direction opérations et maintenance mobile : 0600 000 140 mail : mehdi.erroussafi@inwi.ma site : www.inwi.ma imprimer utile préserve l’environnement -----Message d'origine----- De : tz-bounces@iana.org [mailto:tz-bounces@iana.org] De la part de Paul Eggert Envoyé : vendredi 18 septembre 2015 14:00 À : Steffen Thorsen; Time Zone Database Objet : Re: [tz] Morocco to fall back Sept. 27, not Oct. 25 Steffen Thorsen wrote:
First of all it says "Morocco returns to standard time (GMT) every year on the last Sunday of September, which marks this year September 27." which we know is not true for past two years.
Yes, I noticed that too. I interpreted it to mean that the general rule has been changed to last Sunday of September. Even if that sentence is technically correct, though, it is a reporting error; the article should have said that the general rule has changed, not merely given the new rule as if it has been that way for some time.
Secondly, there are two user comments to the article, claiming it is wrong (and still in October).
Sure, but one of those objections cites Google, which uses tzdata, so that's not much of an objection; the other objection just says "Wrong. It's October 25th." which is not much to go on.
Finally, after spending some time on official websites and other news sites for Morocco, we have not found anything confirming this.
Yes, I had the same experience. The newest press release from that ministry: http://www.mmsp.gov.ma/fr/actualites.aspx?id=903 is undated, but its metadata is Sept. 15. Quite likely there is some delay in getting their announcements online. Another possibility is that the actual decision has not been made and the news article is merely a trial balloon. I was more inclined to guess that the article reflects an official decision, though, as that news agency's predictions have been good in the past. However, given the uncertainty mentioned above, and given the dueling article mentioned by Alexander Krivenyshev, I would like some better confirmation before making an official release. « Ce message et toutes les pièces y jointes sont susceptibles de contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilégiées, lesquelles ne doivent être reproduites, diffusées ou exploitées sans autorisation. L’intégrité des messages électroniques n’étant pas garantie, WANA CORPORATE décline toute responsabilité dans le cas où ce message aurait été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Ce message est établi à l'attention exclusive de ses destinataires. Si vous avez reçu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler à l’expéditeur et le détruire y compris les pièces jointes. Merci. » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- « This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that should not be copied, distributed or used without authorization. As the integrity of emails may not be guaranteed, WANA CORPORATE is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. Thank you. »
Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu> writes:
The attached proposed patch implements a change noted in yesterday's
Morocco
World News. I have not seen an official announcement by the Moroccan
government. I suppose we'll need a new tzdata release soon, as the
change takes
effect in less than nine days.
Here is another article (in Arabic) that Morocco back to work GMT "Greenwich" on Sunday, October 25th 2015 http://www.alayam24.com/articles-12478.html ... the date of a "return to the legal time again starting from three o'clock am on the last Sunday of the month of October solutions", and which falls this year October 25. So Steffen Thorsen probably corect that "few things in the <FIRST> article that are a bit strange: http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015/09/168089/morocco-to-return-to-gmt-on- september-27/" Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com
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Steffen Thorsen