>From b2eede3d1b62c43d0121dd2f6e790b97f29da7b7 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Paul Eggert Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 09:55:02 -0700 Subject: [PROPOSED] * europe: Add comment about "Kiev" spelling. --- europe | 25 ++++++++++++++++++++++--- 1 file changed, 22 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/europe b/europe index fba611f..dec8e91 100644 --- a/europe +++ b/europe @@ -3858,10 +3858,29 @@ Link Europe/Istanbul Asia/Istanbul # Istanbul is in both continents. # * Ukrainian Government's Resolution of 20.03.1992, No. 139. # http://www.uazakon.com/documents/date_8u/pg_grcasa.htm +# From Paul Eggert (2018-10-03): +# As is usual in tzdb, Ukrainian zones use the most common English spellings. +# For example, tzdb uses Europe/Kiev, as "Kiev" is the most common spelling in +# English for Ukraine's capital, even though it is certainly wrong as a +# transliteration of the Ukrainian "��������". This is similar to tzdb's use of +# Europe/Prague, which is certainly wrong as a transliteration of the Czech +# "Praha". ("Kiev" came from old Slavic via Russian to English, and "Prague" +# came from old Slavic via French to English, so the two cases have something +# in common.) Admittedly English-language spelling of Ukrainian names is +# controversial, and some day "Kyiv" may become substantially more popular in +# English; in the meantime, stick with the traditional English "Kiev" as that +# means less disruption for our users. +# +# Anyway, none of the common English-language spellings (Kiev, Kyiv, Kieff, +# Kijeff, Kijev, Kiyef, Kiyeff) do justice to the common pronunciation in +# Ukrainian, namely [��k��jiu��] (IPA). This pronunciation has nothing like an +# English "v" or "f", and instead trails off with what an English-speaker +# would call a demure "oo" sound, and it would would be better anglicized as +# "Kuiyu". Here's a sound file, if you would like to do as the Kuiyuvians do: +# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uk-��������.ogg + # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] -# Most of Ukraine since 1970 has been like Kiev. -# "Kyiv" is the transliteration of the Ukrainian name, but -# "Kiev" is more common in English. +# This represents most of Ukraine. See above for the spelling of "Kiev". Zone Europe/Kiev 2:02:04 - LMT 1880 2:02:04 - KMT 1924 May 2 # Kiev Mean Time 2:00 - EET 1930 Jun 21 -- 2.17.1