Re: [tz] Update Ukrainian Timezones Names

As far as I can tell, those regions have expressed desire to join Russia
but they have been rejected by Russia, so it doesn't make sense to mention
Russia when talking about them.

在 2020年3月11日週三 04:35，Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@systematicsw.ab.ca> 寫道：

> On 2020-03-07 08:22, Paul Eggert wrote:
> > On 3/6/20 3:44 PM, bebyx via tz wrote:
> >> Default timezone names for Ukraine, e.g. Europe/Kiev, are more
> understandable
> >> and correct than ridiculous fantasy style, e.g. Ruthenia.
> >
> > We can't simply blank the "comments" column, because the user interface
> for
> > tzselect currently looks like the interaction quoted at the end of this
> email,
> > and if the last four lines say simply "1) 2) 3) 4)" the user won't know
> what to
> > select. Presumably there would be similar problems with fancier user
> interfaces
> > employing this data.
> >
> > The "(most areas)" comment in Ukraine is similar to comments used in
> Australia,
> > Canada, and other countries. Perhaps you can suggest better comments
> identifying
> > the three smaller regions involved. Comments should be in the English
> language
> > and aimed at an English-language audience.
>
> Looking at the area names used in news articles and Wikipedia, the
> suggestions
> below seem to be used most (the region is more consistently called Luhansk
> using
> the Ukrainian transliteration, while the city is as often called by the
> Russian
> transliteration Lugansk - more political fodder):
>
> > $ tzselect
> > Please identify a location so that time zone rules can be set correctly.
> > Please select a continent, ocean, "coord", or "TZ".
>
> >  7) Europe
>
> > #? 7
> > Please select a country whose clocks agree with yours.
>
> > 15) France          32) Montenegro        49) Ukraine
>
> > #? 49
> > Please select one of the following time zone regions.
> > 1) MSK+00 - Crimea
> > 2) Ukraine (most areas)
>   3) Zakarpatska (Transcarpathia)
>   4) Zaporozhye, Luhansk (East)
>
> Because of regional alliances, I wonder that Donetsk did not participate
> in 4.
> The region appears also to be called Zaporizjzja internationally.
>
> According to https://tass.com/world/756540 the Donbass (Donets Basin)
> region
> (largest city Donetsk): Donetsk People's Republic (DPR/DNR - SE Donetsk
> region -
> largest city Donetsk https://www.geonames.org/709717/donetsk.html N
> 48°01′23″ E
> 37°48′08″) and Lu[gh]ansk People's Republic (LPR/LNR - S Luhansk region -
> largest city Lu[gh]ansk https://www.geonames.org/709717/luhansk.html N
> 48°34′01″
> E 39°19′01″) switched to Moscow time on 2014 October 26 like other Russian
> zones.
>
> Western news sources report Ukraine admitted no control over those regions
> since
> mid-2014, and those regions have not participated in Ukrainian elections
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/05/01/is-this-new-era-ukrainian-politics/
>
> Due to conflict, lack of stable government, and migrations, population
> numbers
> are likely different, and probably down, from the latest 2008 statistics
> available in that region:
> http://www.geonames.org/UA/largest-cities-in-ukraine.html
>
> You may want to consider adding zones for those regions considering their
> history e.g.
> [RU,]UA +4801+03748     Europe/Donetsk  MSK+00 - DPR
> [RU,]UA +4834+03919     Europe/Luhansk  MSK+00 - LPR
>
> with histories based on Kiev and Zaporozhye, recently updated like
> Simferopol:
>
> Zone Europe/Donetsk     2:02:04 -       LMT     1880
>                         2:02:04 -       KMT     1924 May  2 # Kiev Mean
> Time
>                         2:00    -       EET     1930 Jun 21
>                         3:00    -       MSK     1941 Sep 20
>                         1:00    C-Eur   CE%sT   1943 Nov  6
>                         3:00    Russia  MSK/MSD 1990 Jul  1  2:00
>                         2:00    1:00    EEST    1991 Sep 29  3:00
>                         2:00    E-Eur   EE%sT   1995
>                         2:00    EU      EE%sT   2014 Oct 26  2:00s
>                         3:00    -       MSK
>
> Zone Europe/Luhansk     2:20:40 -       LMT     1880
>                         2:20    -       +0220   1924 May  2
>                         2:00    -       EET     1930 Jun 21
>                         3:00    -       MSK     1941 Aug 25
>                         1:00    C-Eur   CE%sT   1943 Oct 25
>                         3:00    Russia  MSK/MSD 1991 Mar 31  2:00
>                         2:00    E-Eur   EE%sT   1995
>                         2:00    EU      EE%sT   2014 Oct 26  2:00s
>                         3:00    -       MSK
>
> --
> Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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