On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 16:20, John Hawkinson <jhawk@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Should I ask the tz mailing list moderators (who are not me) to filter out routine duplicate requests such as this one? At some point the duplicates start to drown out the more-useful email.
If we had prepared a standard boilerplate answer that explained the issues and our position on them effectively, I think we could consider doing that. But we have not done so.
In effect, we have such an answer now, and the details of that answer may evolve over time. So I agree we should actually start using that, as Paul has with the most recent threads, pointing people to his proposal at: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2020-November/029542.html
Saying "go search the list archives" is not very user-friendly, and I don't think it's a reasonable request.
I am generally inclined to agree that "search the [entire/recent] list archives" would be ridiculous in most cases; however, as the frequency of these requests has increased, I would note that "check that it at least hasn't come up within the same month" is a comparatively low bar that often isn't being cleared. One compounding problem is that these requests go to a public list, and then others respond with text other than the boilerplate. On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 16:48, Clive D.W. Feather <clive@davros.org> wrote:
As it is, we're barely hitting one per month, on the average.
Really? It feels a lot more.
Until recently, it was about once a month. Lately, it's been more frequent. My inbox has Kiev/Kyiv threads starting on: 2020-08-15 2020-09-14 2020-11-26 2021-01-08 2021-01-18 (x2) 2021-02-05 2021-02-08 On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 16:55, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
I was thinking more along the lines of something just for this topic, as in, if it's another Kyiv-vs-Kiev request just reply with the boilerplate. The idea is to tamp down the current problem, not come up with a general long-purpose solution.
Yes, and as the proposal moves forward, we could provide the IANA moderators with updated boilerplate as necessary. On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 16:56, Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:
It feels like intermittent, very-low-scale brigading. There aren't any messages on the topic for some time, and then in the course of a week or so we get up to a half-dozen, all using similar wording as if they were all prompted by the same person or event. (Which makes sense; clearly it's an issue about which people have strong passions, and that sort of organizing is common in the political sphere.)
#KyivNotKiev is a concerted online campaign sponsored by the Ukranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, so it does make sense that a lot of the talking points in each message are similar, if not identical. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KyivNotKiev But, yes, at some point, constant repetition doesn't add any value, and with most of these postings, I think we've long since passed that point, especially now that a proposed transition approach exists. If there is something truly new and novel to be discussed at some point, then we can have those discussions. But the same old back-and-forths are not productive for anyone. -- Tim Parenti