From olsona@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Wed Jan 19 14:23:25 2011 From: Arthur David Olson To: tz@iana.org Subject: Re: proposed time zone package changes Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:23:25 -0500 Message-ID: <201101191923.p0JJNPih021716@lecserver.nci.nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3892362037079496333==" --===============3892362037079496333== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was able to check the 1933 Session Laws of Hawaii today; the revised "northamerica" changes below (against the current ftp version) reflect what I found. Also, in the "tz-art.htm" file, the addition of material on Ken Nordine (as well as the already circulated addition of material on Conan O'Brien). I still plan to update the ftp version on 2011-01-24. --ado diff -c -r old/northamerica new/northamerica *** old/northamerica Mon Nov 1 09:18:22 2010 --- new/northamerica Wed Jan 19 14:12:58 2011 *************** *** 1,5 **** #
! # @(#)northamerica	8.34
  # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of
  # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson.
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--- 1,5 ----
  # 
! # @(#)northamerica	8.37
  # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of
  # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson.
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*** 471,490 ****
  #  three votes for and one against."
 =20
  # Hawaii
  #
! # From Arthur David Olson:
! # And then there's Hawaii.
! # DST was observed for one day in 1933;
! # standard time was changed by half an hour in 1947;
! # it's always standard as of 1986.
! #
! # From Paul Eggert:
! # Shanks says the 1933 experiment lasted for three weeks.  Go with Shanks.
! #
! Zone Pacific/Honolulu	-10:31:26 -	LMT	1900 Jan  1 12:00
! 			-10:30	-	HST	1933 Apr 30 2:00
! 			-10:30	1:00	HDT	1933 May 21 2:00
! 			-10:30	US	H%sT	1947 Jun  8 2:00
  			-10:00	-	HST
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  # Now we turn to US areas that have diverged from the consensus since 1970.
--- 471,520 ----
  #  three votes for and one against."
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  # Hawaii
+=20
+ # From Arthur David Olson (2010-12-09):
+ # "Hawaiian Time" by Robert C. Schmitt and Doak C. Cox appears on pages 207=
-225
+ # of volume 26 of The Hawaian Journal of History (1992). As of 2010-12-09,
+ # the article is available at
+ # 
+ # http://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/10524/239/2/JL26215.pdf
+ # 
+ # and indicates that standard time was adopted effective noon, January
+ # 13, 1896 (page 218), that in "1933, the Legislature decreed daylight
+ # saving for the period between the last Sunday of each April and the
+ # last Sunday of each September, but less than a month later repealed the
+ # act," (page 220), that year-round daylight saving time was in effect
+ # from 1942-02-09 to 1945-09-30 (page 221, with no time of day given for
+ # when clocks changed) and that clocks were changed by 30 minutes
+ # effective the second Sunday of June, 1947 (page 219, with no time of
+ # day given for when clocks changed). A footnote for the 1933 changes
+ # cites Session Laws of Hawaii 1933, "Act. 90 (approved 26 Apr. 1933)
+ # and Act 163 (approved 21 May 1933)."
+=20
+ # From Arthur David Olson (2011-01-19):
+ # The following is from "Laws of the Territory of Hawaii Passed by the
+ # Seventeenth Legislature: Regular Session 1933," available (as of
+ # 2011-01-19) at American University's Pence Law Library. Page 85: "Act
+ # 90...At 2 o'clock ante meridian of the last Sunday in April of each
+ # year, the standard time of this Territory shall be advanced one
+ # hour...This Act shall take effect upon its approval. Approved this 26th
+ # day of April, A. D. 1933. LAWRENCE M JUDD, Governor of the Territory of
+ # Hawaii." Page 172:  "Act 163...Act 90 of the Session Laws of 1933 is
+ # hereby repealed...This Act shall take effect upon its approval, upon
+ # which date the standard time of this Territory shall be restored to
+ # that existing immediately prior to the taking effect of said Act 90.
+ # Approved this 21st day of May, A. D. 1933. LAWRENCE M. JUDD, Governor
+ # of the Territory of Hawaii."
  #
! # Note that 1933-05-21 was a Sunday.
! # We're left to guess the time of day when Act 163 was approved; guess noon.
!=20
! Zone Pacific/Honolulu	-10:31:26 -	LMT	1896 Jan 13 12:00 #Schmitt&Cox
! 			-10:30	-	HST	1933 Apr 30 2:00 #Laws 1933
! 			-10:30	1:00	HDT	1933 May 21 12:00 #Laws 1933+12
! 			-10:30	1:00	HST	1942 Feb 09 2:00 #Schmitt&Cox+2
! 			-10:30	-	HDT	1945 Sep 30 2:00 #Schmitt&Fox+2
! 			-10:30	US	H%sT	1947 Jun  8 2:00 #Schmitt&Fox+2
  			-10:00	-	HST
 =20
  # Now we turn to US areas that have diverged from the consensus since 1970.
diff -c -r old/tz-art.htm new/tz-art.htm
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--- new/tz-art.htm	Wed Jan 19 13:47:16 2011
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Time and the Arts

! @(#)tz-art.htm 8.17

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Time and the Arts

! @(#)tz-art.htm 8.19

This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of *************** *** 241,246 **** --- 241,257 ---- "The clocks were turned back you remeber/Think it's still November."   + ArtistKen Nordine + CDYou're Getting Better: The Word Jazz Dot Masters + Copyright Date2005 + LabelGeffen + IDB0005171-02 + Total Time156:22 + ADO Rating1 star + AMG Rating4.5 stars + NotesIncludes the piece "What Time Is It" + ("He knew what time it was everywhere...that counted"). +   =20 TV episode titleThe Lost Hour TV seriesEerie, Indiana *************** *** 467,472 **** --- 478,490 ---- It is already tomorrow in Australia." (Charles M. Schulz, provided by Steve Summit) +

  • + "I put myself and my staff through this crazy, huge ordeal, all because + I refused to go on at midnight, okay? And so I work, you know, and + then I get this job at eleven, supposed to be a big deal. Then + yesterday daylight [saving] time ended. Right now it's basically + midnight." (Conan O'Brien on the 2010-11-08 premier of "Conan.") +
  • --===============3892362037079496333==-- From AndyLipscomb@decosimo.com Wed Jan 19 16:20:06 2011 From: Andy Lipscomb To: tz@iana.org Subject: RE: proposed time zone package changes Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:21:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201101191923.p0JJNPih021716@lecserver.nci.nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0515584381564861490==" --===============0515584381564861490== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit + # and indicates that standard time was adopted effective noon, January + # 13, 1896 (page 218), that in "1933, the Legislature decreed daylight + # saving for the period between the last Sunday of each April and the + # last Sunday of each September, but less than a month later repealed the + # act," (page 220), that year-round daylight saving time was in effect + # from 1942-02-09 to 1945-09-30 (page 221, with no time of day given for + # when clocks changed) and that clocks were changed by 30 minutes + # effective the second Sunday of June, 1947 (page 219, with no time of + # day given for when clocks changed). A footnote for the 1933 changes + # cites Session Laws of Hawaii 1933, "Act. 90 (approved 26 Apr. 1933) + # and Act 163 (approved 21 May 1933)." ! # Note that 1933-05-21 was a Sunday. ! # We're left to guess the time of day when Act 163 was approved; guess noon. ! ! Zone Pacific/Honolulu -10:31:26 - LMT 1896 Jan 13 12:00 #Schmitt&Cox ! -10:30 - HST 1933 Apr 30 2:00 #Laws 1933 ! -10:30 1:00 HDT 1933 May 21 12:00 #Laws 1933+12 ! -10:30 1:00 HST 1942 Feb 09 2:00 #Schmitt&Cox+2 ! -10:30 - HDT 1945 Sep 30 2:00 #Schmitt&Fox+2 ! -10:30 US H%sT 1947 Jun 8 2:00 #Schmitt&Fox+2 -10:00 - HST Unless I'm misreading, those rules have permanent DST (but with the HST abbreviation) in the 1933-1942 period, and no DST (but with the HDT abbreviation) during WWII, which is reversed from the text. In other words, the third and fourth offsets appear to be switched. --===============0515584381564861490==-- From olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov Wed Jan 19 17:37:45 2011 From: "Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E]" To: tz@iana.org Subject: RE: proposed time zone package changes Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:37:45 -0500 Message-ID: <996D816825CFEA469870126E9050D3F00137601716@NIHMLBX11.nih.gov> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3404305450060479096==" --===============3404305450060479096== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great catch; thanks. I've changed the rules as shown below. --ado Zone Pacific/Honolulu -10:31:26 - LMT 1896 Jan 13 12:00 #Schmitt&Cox -10:30 - HST 1933 Apr 30 2:00 #Laws 1933 -10:30 1:00 HDT 1933 May 21 12:00 #Laws 1933+12 -10:30 - HST 1942 Feb 09 2:00 #Schmitt&Cox+2 -10:30 1:00 HDT 1945 Sep 30 2:00 #Schmitt&Fox+2 -10:30 US H%sT 1947 Jun 8 2:00 #Schmitt&Fox+2 -10:00 - HST -----Original Message----- From: Andy Lipscomb [mailto:AndyLipscomb@decosimo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:22 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: RE: proposed time zone package changes + # and indicates that standard time was adopted effective noon, January + # 13, 1896 (page 218), that in "1933, the Legislature decreed daylight + # saving for the period between the last Sunday of each April and the + # last Sunday of each September, but less than a month later repealed the + # act," (page 220), that year-round daylight saving time was in effect + # from 1942-02-09 to 1945-09-30 (page 221, with no time of day given for + # when clocks changed) and that clocks were changed by 30 minutes + # effective the second Sunday of June, 1947 (page 219, with no time of + # day given for when clocks changed). A footnote for the 1933 changes + # cites Session Laws of Hawaii 1933, "Act. 90 (approved 26 Apr. 1933) + # and Act 163 (approved 21 May 1933)." ! # Note that 1933-05-21 was a Sunday. ! # We're left to guess the time of day when Act 163 was approved; guess noon. ! ! Zone Pacific/Honolulu -10:31:26 - LMT 1896 Jan 13 12:00 #Schmitt&Cox ! -10:30 - HST 1933 Apr 30 2:00 #Laws 1933 ! -10:30 1:00 HDT 1933 May 21 12:00 #Laws 1933+12 ! -10:30 1:00 HST 1942 Feb 09 2:00 #Schmitt&Cox+2 ! -10:30 - HDT 1945 Sep 30 2:00 #Schmitt&Fox+2 ! -10:30 US H%sT 1947 Jun 8 2:00 #Schmitt&Fox+2 -10:00 - HST Unless I'm misreading, those rules have permanent DST (but with the HST abbreviation) in the 1933-1942 period, and no DST (but with the HDT abbreviation) during WWII, which is reversed from the text. In other words, the third and fourth offsets appear to be switched. --===============3404305450060479096==-- From philip.newton@gmail.com Thu Jan 20 00:53:13 2011 From: Philip Newton To: tz@iana.org Subject: Re: proposed time zone package changes Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:53:11 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201101191923.p0JJNPih021716@lecserver.nci.nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0802517355889761045==" --===============0802517355889761045== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 20:23, Arthur David Olson wrote: > + # From Arthur David Olson (2010-12-09): > + # "Hawaiian Time" by Robert C. Schmitt and Doak C. Cox appears on pages 2= 07-225 > + # of volume 26 of The Hawaian Journal of History (1992). Is the spelling of the journal name correct, or should it have two -ii- in the middle? Cheers, Philip --=20 Philip Newton --===============0802517355889761045==-- From olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov Thu Jan 20 07:16:00 2011 From: "Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E]" To: tz@iana.org Subject: RE: proposed time zone package changes Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:15:43 -0500 Message-ID: <996D816825CFEA469870126E9050D3F00137601718@NIHMLBX11.nih.gov> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4302719936945807818==" --===============4302719936945807818== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There should indeed be -ii- in the middle; now fixed. Thanks! --ado -----Original Message----- From: Philip Newton [mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:53 To: tz Subject: Re: proposed time zone package changes On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 20:23, Arthur David Olson wrote: > + # From Arthur David Olson (2010-12-09): > + # "Hawaiian Time" by Robert C. Schmitt and Doak C. Cox appears on pages 2= 07-225 > + # of volume 26 of The Hawaian Journal of History (1992). Is the spelling of the journal name correct, or should it have two -ii- in the middle? Cheers, Philip --=20 Philip Newton --===============4302719936945807818==--