[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo de certificación De: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com Me gusta la idea de la re - certificación. Atentamente. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre Enviado Desde mi dispositivo inalmbrico BlackBerry ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan@servidor.unam.mx> Date: Fri, 06 de abril 2012 20:22:03 Para: <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc: <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> ; <staff@atlarge.icann.org> ; <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ; <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-es] Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago Capítulo certificación Carlton, todos, el concepto con el que - en su mayoría Esther Dyson y Denise Michel, a continuación, la evolución y el Comité de Reforma que presidí en el principios de 2000 - diseñó la actual At-Large, la representación y la participación es "red de confiar ". El sistema aún puede ser engañada y la confianza puede ser abusado.Un fuerte REE proceso de certificación sería conveniente en una próxima ronda de revisión. Pero, más trnasparency, más emisión de la representación real y el impacto de las organizaciones, y menos retórica, sin duda ayudará a que este sistema trabajar mejor, y disipar la necesidad patente de refundación de LACRALO. Más centrarse en el trabajo por hacer y en la construcción de la capacidad de hacer que tiene nunca ha sido más vital. Vamos a recuperar que las tareas esenciales de la Asamblea General, fatalmente condenados también. Mientras que en este punto, permítanme llamar a aquellas personas que se presentan candidaturas a las elecciones que no puede llevarse a cabo para presentar su plataformas, por si acaso. Menos nombres, más acción, ideas y rendición de cuentas. Alejandro Pisanty .................... ...... El Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 México, DF México Tels. +52- (1) -55-5105-6044, +52- (1) -55-5418-3732 * Mi blog / Mi blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com * Perfil de LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty * Unete al Grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Unete a México ISOC, http://www.isoc.org Participa en la ICANN, http://www.icann.org ......................... . El viernes, 06 de abril 2012, Carlton Samuels escribió:

Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:27:34 -0500 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> To: carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Cc: At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>,      lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org,      lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and         Tobago Chapter certification

The challenge with the Due Diligence phase of the ALS application is the dependence on prior knowledge of the applicant either thru publicly-available sources or via  private sources, mostly thru one-to-one personal contacts. When I was Secretariat, we turned to sources as different as LACNIC and ISOC representatives for help.

Sometimes the publicly-available sources, like websites and such, are less than useful.  And private sources are always open to compromise.  I recall in the past, for example, lots of ill-will to an ICANN regional representative because of his reporting of negative information he received from his sources about an applicant.

Caught between a rock and a hard place.  But short of a forensic routine, this is the best we have at the minute.

- Carlton

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On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:01 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre < carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Interesting. Something to be revised, in my humble point of view. The question is:  When the Individual end user of LAC region could make observation to the procedure on the ALS applications?. Today, only the ALSs and Staff can analize application forms, I think we need to extend the due dilligence to every individual end user (thirds party) who want to say something over ALS applications. I think This is a truly Transparency & could give solution to few our problems on this sense. When everybody know about what happen and can give opinion, for this is needed the real & effective communication of facts for all, and not only for the actors. My position on this point, is general and abstract and nothing have to do directly with the T&T ISOC  application . A thought  in a loud voice: What excellent lost opportunity was the GA in Costa Rica to change & to make better our OPs. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org

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From: staff@atlarge.icann.org To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:23:59 -0700 Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter       certification

Dear All,

The Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was certified on 14-Mar-2012 at the At-Large Regional Leadership Meeting which took place from 12:30 - 14:00, while the first LACRALO General Assembly was 14-Mar-2012 from 17:00-18:00.

To clarify, once the ALAC approves an applicant, the applicant is accredited.

The email welcoming the Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was simply a courtesy email welcoming the ALS to At-Large.

Regards,

Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine ICANN At-Large Staff E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en

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