Re: RECORDATORIO: Solicitud de Comentarios: Proyecto de At-Large Declaraci�n de la Visi�n - Fecha l�mite para observaciones 17 de mayo
[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: RECORDATORIO: Solicitud de Comentarios: Proyecto de At-Large Declaración de la Visión - Fecha límite para observaciones 17 de mayo De: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Estoy de acuerdo con Alan, y creo que los detalles de miembro de la Junta selección y así sucesivamente, no son particularmente adecuados para una declaración de visión. Sin embargo, la propuesta de declaración es un poco torpe, a mis ojos, especialmente en el uso de las formas verbales singulares para referirse a la sujeto plural ", ALAC y la Comunidad At-Large". Con respecto al hecho de que es una declaración de visión de la En-Grande, No veo la necesidad de incluir expresamente a la ALAC o RALO en absoluto, teniendo en cuenta que ambos son partes integrantes de la Comunidad. Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicua, necesaria, invisible y Gratis. (AfterChris Lehmann) El Jue, 17 de mayo de 2012 a 15:04, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> escribió:
I'm afraid that although I have some problems with the proposed vision statement, I do not think that these changes go in the right direction. Two main reasons:
- To say that the At-Large Community (and not the upper case C as per the ICANN Bylaw definition) is there to strenghten the RALOs is a largely circular definition as the RALOs are a core integral part of the ALC.
- Listing that we exist to select a Board member sends a VERY wrong message in my mind. It is a perk of participating in the ICANN ecosystem, but is certainly not our raison d'être.
The issue of ALAC over At-Large can be addressed by simply reversing their order.
Regarding the original statement, I find "catalyzes" the perfect word here, from a point of view of meaning, but do question whether it will be as good in translation.
Alan
At 15/05/2012 09:39 PM, Cintra Sooknanan wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks for circulating this draft Vision Statement. I would have liked to see a clear plain language and easily translatable Vision. Phrases like "brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters" are just vague in my opinion. Vision Statements must have a mechanism of measurement as to whether they are being met or not and therefore must be precise.
Also I find it is inapt for the ALAC to be the first structure mentioned in an At Large Vision statement. Perhaps the intention is the mix the two? But I would advise against this route, and instead suggest providing a Vision Statement of ALAC separately.
My amended proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, tangible and meaningful participation of Internet end-users worldwide in ICANN matters, particularly through its work in strengthening the RALOs, its representation by the ALAC and its selection of the ICANN At-Large Board Member.
Kind regards
Cintra Sooknanan
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
A friendly reminder that the comment period for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement closes on Thursday, 17 May.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Please use the comments function on this <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> wiki page to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org
From: ICANN At-Large Staff [mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; apralo; Discussion for At-Large Europe; LACRALO discussion list; 'lac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; NARALO Discussion List Cc: 'Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond'; 'Cheryl Langdon-Orr'; ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: COMMENTS REQUESTED: Proposed At-Large Vision Statement
Dear All,
The ALAC Improvements Review WG Final Report included a recommendation that "the ALAC should develop strategic and operational planning processes (including performance criteria and cost information) as part of ICANN's planning process." (Recommendation 5 <https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/Recommendation+5> ).
As part of the implementation of this recommendation, the At-Large Improvements Implementation Work Team C created an action item to "articulate ALAC's and At-Large's vision and mission."
The At-Large Improvements Taskforce developed a proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their meeting at the 43rd ICANN Meeting in Costa Rica.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
. The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Chair of the ALAC, and Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chair of the At-Large Improvements Taskforce, have outlined the following next steps for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement:
. 4-17 May 2012 - This proposed At-Large Vision statement is open for comments between 4-17 May 2012. Please use the comments function on this wiki page <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: staff@atlarge.icann.org.
. 21 May 2012 - The At-Large Improvements Taskforce will review and incorporate comments received during their 21 May meeting.
. 22 May 2012 - The ALAC will review the proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their 22 May ALAC meeting and vote whether to ratify it.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org
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Hola todos, me parece indispensable que la visión de At-Large incluya la construcción de una red de confianza entre las organizaciones y que con base en esa confianza produzca confianza en que llevamos la voz de los usuarios aún cuando no estemos constituidos con una representación global formal. El concepto de "Web of Trust" es clave para ganar confianza, transparencia y rendición de cuentas. Sin éstas, todo el concepto de At-Large se debilita hasta casi desmoronarse. Si hay consenso a este respecto, debemos impulsarlo. Alejandro Pisanty ! !! !!! !!!! NEW PHONE NUMBER - NUEVO NÚMERO DE TELÉFONO +52-1-41444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________________________________________ Desde: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de jam@jacquelinemorris.com [jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Enviado el: jueves, 17 de mayo de 2012 15:51 Hasta: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; LACRALO discussion list; NARALO Discussion List; ICANN At-Large Staff; alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org Asunto: Re: RECORDATORIO: Solicitud de Comentarios: Proyecto de At-Large Declaración de la Visión - Fecha límite para observaciones 17 de mayo [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: RECORDATORIO: Solicitud de Comentarios: Proyecto de At-Large Declaración de la Visión - Fecha límite para observaciones 17 de mayo De: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Estoy de acuerdo con Alan, y creo que los detalles de miembro de la Junta selección y así sucesivamente, no son particularmente adecuados para una declaración de visión. Sin embargo, la propuesta de declaración es un poco torpe, a mis ojos, especialmente en el uso de las formas verbales singulares para referirse a la sujeto plural ", ALAC y la Comunidad At-Large". Con respecto al hecho de que es una declaración de visión de la En-Grande, No veo la necesidad de incluir expresamente a la ALAC o RALO en absoluto, teniendo en cuenta que ambos son partes integrantes de la Comunidad. Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicua, necesaria, invisible y Gratis. (AfterChris Lehmann) El Jue, 17 de mayo de 2012 a 15:04, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> escribió:
I'm afraid that although I have some problems with the proposed vision statement, I do not think that these changes go in the right direction. Two main reasons:
- To say that the At-Large Community (and not the upper case C as per the ICANN Bylaw definition) is there to strenghten the RALOs is a largely circular definition as the RALOs are a core integral part of the ALC.
- Listing that we exist to select a Board member sends a VERY wrong message in my mind. It is a perk of participating in the ICANN ecosystem, but is certainly not our raison d'être.
The issue of ALAC over At-Large can be addressed by simply reversing their order.
Regarding the original statement, I find "catalyzes" the perfect word here, from a point of view of meaning, but do question whether it will be as good in translation.
Alan
At 15/05/2012 09:39 PM, Cintra Sooknanan wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks for circulating this draft Vision Statement. I would have liked to see a clear plain language and easily translatable Vision. Phrases like "brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters" are just vague in my opinion. Vision Statements must have a mechanism of measurement as to whether they are being met or not and therefore must be precise.
Also I find it is inapt for the ALAC to be the first structure mentioned in an At Large Vision statement. Perhaps the intention is the mix the two? But I would advise against this route, and instead suggest providing a Vision Statement of ALAC separately.
My amended proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, tangible and meaningful participation of Internet end-users worldwide in ICANN matters, particularly through its work in strengthening the RALOs, its representation by the ALAC and its selection of the ICANN At-Large Board Member.
Kind regards
Cintra Sooknanan
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
A friendly reminder that the comment period for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement closes on Thursday, 17 May.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Please use the comments function on this <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> wiki page to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org
From: ICANN At-Large Staff [mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; apralo; Discussion for At-Large Europe; LACRALO discussion list; 'lac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; NARALO Discussion List Cc: 'Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond'; 'Cheryl Langdon-Orr'; ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: COMMENTS REQUESTED: Proposed At-Large Vision Statement
Dear All,
The ALAC Improvements Review WG Final Report included a recommendation that "the ALAC should develop strategic and operational planning processes (including performance criteria and cost information) as part of ICANN's planning process." (Recommendation 5 <https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/Recommendation+5> ).
As part of the implementation of this recommendation, the At-Large Improvements Implementation Work Team C created an action item to "articulate ALAC's and At-Large's vision and mission."
The At-Large Improvements Taskforce developed a proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their meeting at the 43rd ICANN Meeting in Costa Rica.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
. The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Chair of the ALAC, and Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chair of the At-Large Improvements Taskforce, have outlined the following next steps for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement:
. 4-17 May 2012 - This proposed At-Large Vision statement is open for comments between 4-17 May 2012. Please use the comments function on this wiki page <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: staff@atlarge.icann.org.
. 21 May 2012 - The At-Large Improvements Taskforce will review and incorporate comments received during their 21 May meeting.
. 22 May 2012 - The ALAC will review the proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their 22 May ALAC meeting and vote whether to ratify it.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org
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