Re: [lac-discuss-es] LA ASAMBLEA GENERAL LACRALO 2012 - SAN JOSE, COSTA RICA
[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: LA ASAMBLEA GENERAL LACRALO 2012 - SAN JOSE, COSTA RICA A partir de: fatimacambronero@gmail.com Jacqueline, Esto podría ser una buena idea si no somos capaces de hacer que nuestra Asamblea General en Costa Rica. Pero en este caso los recursos necesarios podría ser mayor que el necesario de la Asamblea General en Costa Rica. Tal vez podamos empezar a trabajar para que el AG en conjunto con LACIGF este año (normalmente se hace en agosto y que estaríamos ante una nueva ICANN año fiscal, y tal vez podamos contar con su apoyo financiero). Se trata de un plan B que podría ser interesante considerar .... Gracias Jacquie. Fátima 01/07/2012 Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>
I think it's committed, but it depends on what is considered commitment... there's been a lot of $$ input into ways for online activity, for translations of documents (more needed, but a BIG improvement from 5 years ago), the Fellowship programme and access to ICANN processes for a lot of people from the developing world. The GA is important to LACRALO, but it isn't contracted, nor is it a request from other RALOs as far as I know.
You know there is a negative perception with regard to travel support from many people outside ALAC - the idea of participating in ICANN, via working groups, mailing lists etc vs "getting a paid holiday". And with the Accountability and Transparency issues, it's important for ICANN to look at perception. (The Dakar hotel PR fiasco didn't do much to make the At Large look accountable and responsible)
Also, a GA at an ICANN meeting will have LACRALO ALSes in their own meeting, separate and distinct from the ICANN meeting, at least for the 2-3 days of the GA. So why does the GA have to coincide with the regional ICANN meeting? The LACIGF always has representatives of the ALSes, we could piggyback the GA onto that next year, or in 2013 and spend time and energy getting funding and organising it as a major regional end-user event!
It's as important for us to show commitment to ICANN and to IG policy development in the region as it is for us to see that ICANN is committed to us.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, Jacquie, LACRALO is the largest RALO (38 members), BUT more than half of ALSs, are inactive ALSs.
Seem that we are expert in Outreach but not in participation, engagement and outcomes .
Do we know how many ALSs are attending to Costa Rica meeting without AG?
We are committed to LACRALO but, is ICANN committed to us??
Fatima
2012/1/7 Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>
Given that the deadline for ICANN Travel forms is MONDAY, I doubt that there will be all ALSes attending, and hence a LACRALO GA. But I think that it would be a wasted opportunity to cancel the Showcase, as it is a great opportunity to let the ICANN community know that LACRALO is the largest RALO (38 members) and has been instrumental in the creation and ongoing growth of ICANN's translation programme...
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:46 AM, <sylvia@internautabrasil.org> wrote:
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Subject: GENERAL ASSEMBLY LACRALO 2012 - SAN JOSE, COSTA RICA From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org
LACRALO Dear companions:
New year, renewed energies, many achievements to conquer.
We are in January and the upcoming San Josde Meeting of Costa Rica.
I would like to know how we go with the preparations for the Assembly as expected General LACRALO.
We talked a lot about this, but so far we have no definicin-response from ICANN.
Someone may tell?
I still insist that there will make sense to make a LACRALO Showcase, without estn all ALS present as was the case of Cartagena, and is informacinrpida why we need so that the same may prepare the material as necessary.
Greetings to all,
Sylvia
Described: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil
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Exactamente Fatima, sería más costoso (ya que habría que tener en cuenta el costo extra de los miembros de ALS que ya están costeados dentro proceso normal de ICANN y del Fellow). El motivo de hacer coincidir las Asambleas generales con los meetings de ICANN es darle la oportunidad a las ALSs de conocer como funciona el mundo ICANN, exactamente el mismo propósito del programa de Fellowship que tú conoces tan bien. Por otro lado, según los resultados de la encuesta que respondieron las ALSs de LACRALO con respecto a su relación con sus cctld, sabemos que la misma es muy escasa o inexistente; y por eso no sé de donde surge la idea que los cctld estarían dispuestos a darnos ayuda financiera para nuestra Asamblea General. Saludos Sylvia -----Mensagem original----- De: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de fatimacambronero@gmail.com Enviada em: domingo, 08 de enero de 2012 14:02 Para: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] LA ASAMBLEA GENERAL LACRALO 2012 - SAN JOSE, COSTA RICA [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: LA ASAMBLEA GENERAL LACRALO 2012 - SAN JOSE, COSTA RICA A partir de: fatimacambronero@gmail.com Jacqueline, Esto podría ser una buena idea si no somos capaces de hacer que nuestra Asamblea General en Costa Rica. Pero en este caso los recursos necesarios podría ser mayor que el necesario de la Asamblea General en Costa Rica. Tal vez podamos empezar a trabajar para que el AG en conjunto con LACIGF este año (normalmente se hace en agosto y que estaríamos ante una nueva ICANN año fiscal, y tal vez podamos contar con su apoyo financiero). Se trata de un plan B que podría ser interesante considerar .... Gracias Jacquie. Fátima 01/07/2012 Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>
I think it's committed, but it depends on what is considered commitment... there's been a lot of $$ input into ways for online activity, for translations of documents (more needed, but a BIG improvement from 5 years ago), the Fellowship programme and access to ICANN processes for a lot of people from the developing world. The GA is important to LACRALO, but it isn't contracted, nor is it a request from other RALOs as far as I know.
You know there is a negative perception with regard to travel support from many people outside ALAC - the idea of participating in ICANN, via working groups, mailing lists etc vs "getting a paid holiday". And with the Accountability and Transparency issues, it's important for ICANN to look at perception. (The Dakar hotel PR fiasco didn't do much to make the At Large look accountable and responsible)
Also, a GA at an ICANN meeting will have LACRALO ALSes in their own meeting, separate and distinct from the ICANN meeting, at least for the 2-3 days of the GA. So why does the GA have to coincide with the regional ICANN meeting? The LACIGF always has representatives of the ALSes, we could piggyback the GA onto that next year, or in 2013 and spend time and energy getting funding and organising it as a major regional end-user event!
It's as important for us to show commitment to ICANN and to IG policy development in the region as it is for us to see that ICANN is committed to us.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, Jacquie, LACRALO is the largest RALO (38 members), BUT more than half of ALSs, are inactive ALSs.
Seem that we are expert in Outreach but not in participation, engagement and outcomes .
Do we know how many ALSs are attending to Costa Rica meeting without AG?
We are committed to LACRALO but, is ICANN committed to us??
Fatima
2012/1/7 Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>
Given that the deadline for ICANN Travel forms is MONDAY, I doubt that there will be all ALSes attending, and hence a LACRALO GA. But I think that it would be a wasted opportunity to cancel the Showcase, as it is a great opportunity to let the ICANN community know that LACRALO is the largest RALO (38 members) and has been instrumental in the creation and ongoing growth of ICANN's translation
programme...
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:46 AM, <sylvia@internautabrasil.org> wrote:
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Subject: GENERAL ASSEMBLY LACRALO 2012 - SAN JOSE, COSTA RICA From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org
LACRALO Dear companions:
New year, renewed energies, many achievements to conquer.
We are in January and the upcoming San Josde Meeting of Costa Rica.
I would like to know how we go with the preparations for the Assembly as expected General LACRALO.
We talked a lot about this, but so far we have no definicin-response from ICANN.
Someone may tell?
I still insist that there will make sense to make a LACRALO Showcase, without estn all ALS present as was the case of Cartagena, and is informacinrpida why we need so that the same may prepare the material as necessary.
Greetings to all,
Sylvia
Described: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil
[[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/d54cadf235.html --]]
Feliz 2012 para tod@s. Desde Internauta Argentina compartimos lo expresado tanto por Sylvia como por José Ovidio. Las organizaciones que representamos a quienes hacen rodar la tremenda maquinaria de la industria mundial del software, el hardware, los servicios de Internet, las Telcos, ICANN & Co. con nuestro uso y consumo de bienes y servicios tenemos que ser tomados un poco más en cuenta, por lo que pensamos que definir como un tema económico a la realización del Showcase con la presencia física de las ALS´s del próximo encuentro nada menos que en Costa Rica (país que como pocos le debe tanto de su desarrollo económico a las oportunidades que desde allí le dieron a Intel y otras empresas de las que estamos hablando) es deliberadamente distraer la discusión. El desarrollo de una Asamblea General de las Estructuras de Alcance de cada una de las Regiones debería estar en la agenda del Directorio de ICANN si es que tienen el debido respeto por los usuarios/consumidores/sujetos de derecho que mantienen la industria de las TIC´s Y está más que claro que quienes son los jugadores más fuertes de este negocio (entiéndase que hablamos de las empresas del sector TIC´s) tienen que hacerse responsables a la hora de materializar este tipo de encuentros PRESENCIALES, que fortalecen y mucho al resto de las reuniones y encuentros en línea que constantemente mantienen esta y las otras Organizaciones Regionales de Alcance. Quien utilice como excusa el tema presupuestario para no llevar adelante la Asamblea, prevista y definida en Dakar para realizarse este año en curso, solo esta desviando el eje del asunto. Por otra parte coincidimos plenamente con lo planteado por Sylvia en función de las reuniones presenciales, en un mundo de bits y bytes aún es insustituible el contacto directo de las personas. Saludos a tod@s Marcelo Telez Posadas, Misiones República Argentina Vicepresidente Internauta Argentina Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet http://www.internauta.org.ar FLUI - Federación Latinoamericana de Usuarios de Internet http://www.fuilatin.org Facebook:Marcelo Telez Twitter:@mtelez Skype: omtelez Movil:+54 9 376 493-2799 *"En economía no hay nada misterioso ni inaccesible al entendimiento del hombre de la calle. Si hay un misterio, reside él en el oculto propósito que puede perseguir el economista y que no es otro que la disimulación del interés concreto a que se sirve*." *Arturo Jauretche*
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