Re: [lac-discuss-es] =?iso-8859-1?q?Solicitud_de_ACUI=È_Votaci=F3n_E = =?iso-8859-1?q?lectr=F3nica_Representante_de_Lacrala_ante_ALAC=È =
Dear Alexander: Many thanks for your suggestions. I agree with you that it would be useful to have candidates express their views on the several policy discussions now on in ICANN and ALAC. Mexico City will certainly not allow time for much debate. So it is upto the membership to ask these questions *on this list*now. Indeed, one reason for asking for nominations for ALAC representative BEFORE Mexico City was to enable the membership enough time to ask questions on the discussion list and allow for reflective responses. And we still have time. You should also know that existing LACRALO Operating Principles expect our representative to ALAC to offer the consensus view of LACRALO and not their personal views in policy discussions at ALAC. This has not worked as well as it ought to. Because for this to work well, it will require informed opinions of members to be communicated to our representatives. To be informed requires a lot of self-education and reading. And to be brutally frank, we hardly get informed feedback on policy matters from our membership. This is another opportunity for meaningful participation. Kind regards, Carlton On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:32 PM, <apisan@servidor.unam.mx> wrote:
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Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Solicitud_de_ACUI=È_Votaci=F3n_E = =?iso-8859-1?q?lectr=F3nica_Representante_de_Lacrala_ante_ALAC=È = From: apisan@servidor.unam.mx
Carlton, all,
regarding the election, and independent of where and when it takes we pleases... could see some constructive work of the present coordinators to organize some debates among the candidates that helps votersdistinguish between them on the basis of to their positions to specific issues?
In which it does to the selection, and independently from where and when carry out this one... we can see something of constructive workby part of the present coordinators to organize something of debate between candidates who allow the voters to distinguish among them withbase in its positions on specific subjects?
Sincerely,
Alexander Pisanty
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr Alexander Pisanty UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732
* My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614<http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/%C3%82106C0C8614>
---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org It participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:16:56 -0500 > From: Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm> > To: "[ ISO-8859-1 ] Antonio Medina Go'mez" <amedinagomez@gmail.com> > Cc: " lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" > < lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] [ iso-8859-1 ] Request of ACUI. Voting > Electronic Representative of Lacrala before ALAC. > > Dear Antonio: > for Many thanks your suggestion. With respect to online voting for LACRALO > representative to ALAC, I respectfully disagree. > > Without to doubt, the most important representatives plows those to ALAC. I > believe the General Assembly is the right pleases to choose our most important > representatives. This is recognized in the LACRALO OperatingRules. > > There plows 2 candidates qualified for election. Most, if not all of the > qualified voters, will be present in Mexico City. Those thatplows not > present dog votes by proxy. There!
fore there is impediment not to whatsoever to > proceed directly to to votes. > > Secondly, you will notices that despite almost 8 weeks of notice, there plows no > to other agenda items proposed by the membership. In fact, the only ones plows > those proposed by the Secretariat. > > Best regards, > Carlton Samuels > LACRALO Secretariat > > > > > > 2009/2/16 Antonio Medina Go'mez <amedinagomez@gmail.com> > > > 16 of February of 2009 > > > > Dear Carlton receives a warm greeting. > > In view of which the 15 of February of 2009 to the 2ÚTC were closed officially > > the postulation for the position of Representative of Lacralo before ALAC, I want > > to solicit very comedidamente, that the process of electronic voting > > implements to the greater brevity, since as I mentioned itin communication > > previous, in Mexico we are going to have a very ample agenda of work little and > > time to take care of it. > > > > Sustento this request and alr!
eady had showed it previously, in > > necessity to concentr! ate to u s in the city of Mexico in the interest subjects > > for Latinoamerica and the Caribbean. > > > > Additionally, I want to add, that I totally trust that > > representing elect will make the task entrusted with totaltransparency > > and commitment. Beforehand desire exitos to the winner andwe offered him from > > total Colombia and permanent support to its management. > > > > Agradezco its attention. > > > > Antonio Medina Go'mez > > President > > Colombian Association of Users of Internet > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists...> > http://www.lacralo.org >
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Carlton, all, we definitely need to make as much time as possible in the Mexico City meeting for substantive discussion of issues and confine elections to the smallest fraction of the meeting possible. Definitivamente necesitamos dedicar el mayor tiempo posible en la reunión de México a las discusiones sustantivas de temas de interés y confinar a las elecciones a la menor fracción posible de la sesión. Alejandro Pisanty . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:21:35 -0500 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm> To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [iso-8859-1] =?iso-8859-1?q?Solicitud_de_ACUI=È_Votaci=F3n_E = =?iso-8859-1?q?lectr=F3nica_Representante_de_Lacrala_ante_ALAC=È =
Dear Alexander: Many thanks for your suggestions. I agree with you that it would be useful to have candidates express their views on the several policy discussions now on in ICANN and ALAC. Mexico City will certainly not allow time for much debate. So it is upto the membership to ask these questions *on this list*now.
Indeed, one reason for asking for nominations for ALAC representative BEFORE Mexico City was to enable the membership enough time to ask questions on the discussion list and allow for reflective responses. And we still have time.
You should also know that existing LACRALO Operating Principles expect our representative to ALAC to offer the consensus view of LACRALO and not their personal views in policy discussions at ALAC. This has not worked as well as it ought to. Because for this to work well, it will require informed opinions of members to be communicated to our representatives. To be informed requires a lot of self-education and reading. And to be brutally frank, we hardly get informed feedback on policy matters from our membership.
This is another opportunity for meaningful participation.
Kind regards, Carlton
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:32 PM, <apisan@servidor.unam.mx> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Solicitud_de_ACUI=È_Votaci=F3n_E = =?iso-8859-1?q?lectr=F3nica_Representante_de_Lacrala_ante_ALAC=È = From: apisan@servidor.unam.mx
Carlton, all,
regarding the election, and independent of where and when it takes we pleases... could see some constructive work of the present coordinators to organize some debates among the candidates that helps votersdistinguish between them on the basis of to their positions to specific issues?
In which it does to the selection, and independently from where and when carry out this one... we can see something of constructive workby part of the present coordinators to organize something of debate between candidates who allow the voters to distinguish among them withbase in its positions on specific subjects?
Sincerely,
Alexander Pisanty
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr Alexander Pisanty UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732
* My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614<http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/%C3%82106C0C8614>
---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org It participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:16:56 -0500 > From: Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm> > To: "[ ISO-8859-1 ] Antonio Medina Go'mez" <amedinagomez@gmail.com> > Cc: " lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" > < lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] [ iso-8859-1 ] Request of ACUI. Voting > Electronic Representative of Lacrala before ALAC. > > Dear Antonio: > for Many thanks your suggestion. With respect to online voting for LACRALO > representative to ALAC, I respectfully disagree. > > Without to doubt, the most important representatives plows those to ALAC. I > believe the General Assembly is the right pleases to choose our most important > representatives. This is recognized in the LACRALO OperatingRules. > > There plows 2 candidates qualified for election. Most, if not all of the > qualified voters, will be present in Mexico City. Those thatplows not > present dog votes by proxy. There!
fore there is impediment not to whatsoever to > proceed directly to to votes. > > Secondly, you will notices that despite almost 8 weeks of notice, there plows no > to other agenda items proposed by the membership. In fact, the only ones plows > those proposed by the Secretariat. > > Best regards, > Carlton Samuels > LACRALO Secretariat > > > > > > 2009/2/16 Antonio Medina Go'mez <amedinagomez@gmail.com> > > > 16 of February of 2009 > > > > Dear Carlton receives a warm greeting. > > In view of which the 15 of February of 2009 to the 2ÚTC were closed officially > > the postulation for the position of Representative of Lacralo before ALAC, I want > > to solicit very comedidamente, that the process of electronic voting > > implements to the greater brevity, since as I mentioned itin communication > > previous, in Mexico we are going to have a very ample agenda of work little and > > time to take care of it. > > > > Sustento this request and alr!
eady had showed it previously, in > > necessity to concentr! ate to u s in the city of Mexico in the interest subjects > > for Latinoamerica and the Caribbean. > > > > Additionally, I want to add, that I totally trust that > > representing elect will make the task entrusted with totaltransparency > > and commitment. Beforehand desire exitos to the winner andwe offered him from > > total Colombia and permanent support to its management. > > > > Agradezco its attention. > > > > Antonio Medina Go'mez > > President > > Colombian Association of Users of Internet > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists...> > http://www.lacralo.org >
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Mi enmienda a los Principios Operativos de LACRALO. En 2008 fue elaborada y tiene unas pequeñas modificaciones en este caso. Se la puede observar en el archivo adjunto. La fundamentación de la necesidad de contar con un Chair (Presidente de la Asamblea) es, tal como expresaramos en 2008, la de adaptar nuestro esquema de participación para hacerlo más participativo, mejorar la comunicación y la discusión, entablar un nexo entre el mundo at large y nuestra región. Durante numerosas instancias en 2008 se ha argumentado sobre el particular y entendemos que existe un nivel de consenso adecuado para insistir con la propuesta. Saludos y a su disposición con los esfuerzos para traducción. Andrés
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:21:35 -0500 From: carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] =?iso-8859-1?q?Solicitud_de_ACUI=È_Votaci=F3n_E = =?iso-8859-1?q?lectr=F3nica_Representante_de_Lacrala_ante_ALAC=È =
Dear Alexander: Many thanks for your suggestions. I agree with you that it would be useful to have candidates express their views on the several policy discussions now on in ICANN and ALAC. Mexico City will certainly not allow time for much debate. So it is upto the membership to ask these questions *on this list*now.
Indeed, one reason for asking for nominations for ALAC representative BEFORE Mexico City was to enable the membership enough time to ask questions on the discussion list and allow for reflective responses. And we still have time.
You should also know that existing LACRALO Operating Principles expect our representative to ALAC to offer the consensus view of LACRALO and not their personal views in policy discussions at ALAC. This has not worked as well as it ought to. Because for this to work well, it will require informed opinions of members to be communicated to our representatives. To be informed requires a lot of self-education and reading. And to be brutally frank, we hardly get informed feedback on policy matters from our membership.
This is another opportunity for meaningful participation.
Kind regards, Carlton
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:32 PM, <apisan@servidor.unam.mx> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Solicitud_de_ACUI=È_Votaci=F3n_E = =?iso-8859-1?q?lectr=F3nica_Representante_de_Lacrala_ante_ALAC=È = From: apisan@servidor.unam.mx
Carlton, all,
regarding the election, and independent of where and when it takes we pleases... could see some constructive work of the present coordinators to organize some debates among the candidates that helps votersdistinguish between them on the basis of to their positions to specific issues?
In which it does to the selection, and independently from where and when carry out this one... we can see something of constructive workby part of the present coordinators to organize something of debate between candidates who allow the voters to distinguish among them withbase in its positions on specific subjects?
Sincerely,
Alexander Pisanty
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr Alexander Pisanty UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732
* My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614<http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/%C3%82106C0C8614>
---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org It participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:16:56 -0500 > From: Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm> > To: "[ ISO-8859-1 ] Antonio Medina Go'mez" <amedinagomez@gmail.com> > Cc: " lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" > < lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] [ iso-8859-1 ] Request of ACUI. Voting > Electronic Representative of Lacrala before ALAC. > > Dear Antonio: > for Many thanks your suggestion. With respect to online voting for LACRALO > representative to ALAC, I respectfully disagree. > > Without to doubt, the most important representatives plows those to ALAC. I > believe the General Assembly is the right pleases to choose our most important > representatives. This is recognized in the LACRALO OperatingRules. > > There plows 2 candidates qualified for election. Most, if not all of the > qualified voters, will be present in Mexico City. Those thatplows not > present dog votes by proxy. There!
fore there is impediment not to whatsoever to > proceed directly to to votes. > > Secondly, you will notices that despite almost 8 weeks of notice, there plows no > to other agenda items proposed by the membership. In fact, the only ones plows > those proposed by the Secretariat. > > Best regards, > Carlton Samuels > LACRALO Secretariat > > > > > > 2009/2/16 Antonio Medina Go'mez <amedinagomez@gmail.com> > > > 16 of February of 2009 > > > > Dear Carlton receives a warm greeting. > > In view of which the 15 of February of 2009 to the 2ÚTC were closed officially > > the postulation for the position of Representative of Lacralo before ALAC, I want > > to solicit very comedidamente, that the process of electronic voting > > implements to the greater brevity, since as I mentioned itin communication > > previous, in Mexico we are going to have a very ample agenda of work little and > > time to take care of it. > > > > Sustento this request and alr!
eady had showed it previously, in > > necessity to concentr! ate to u s in the city of Mexico in the interest subjects > > for Latinoamerica and the Caribbean. > > > > Additionally, I want to add, that I totally trust that > > representing elect will make the task entrusted with totaltransparency > > and commitment. Beforehand desire exitos to the winner andwe offered him from > > total Colombia and permanent support to its management. > > > > Agradezco its attention. > > > > Antonio Medina Go'mez > > President > > Colombian Association of Users of Internet > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists...> > http://www.lacralo.org >
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Estimados (english below) El summit será una interesante oportunidad para debatir cuestiones tales como la que aquí ponemos a su consideración. ¿Como llevar la voz de los usuarios individuales en casos como este? ¿Más allá del caso legal, que rol nos compete y que podemos hacer desde At Large? El resumen del "conflicto" entre cvander y GoDaddy lo pueden encontrar, en español, en http://alt1040.com/2009/02/le-roban-maestrosdelwebcom-y-forosdelwebcom-a-chr..., sus comentarios y notas relacionadas. AGEIA DENSI ha posteado al respecto en http://ar.ageiandensi.org Esperamos feedback al respecto. Saludos, Andrés ---- Dear All, The summit will be an excelent opportunity to start new debates related to matters such us this we put here. ¿How is possible to carry the individual users voice? ¿Far from the Legal Case, how can At Large act in this kind of issues? An english review of cvander and GoDaddy "conflict" can be seen here: http://www.domainnamenews.com/registrars/twitter-users-gang-up-on-godaddy/40... AGEIA DENSI made also a post, in spanish. http://ar.ageiadensi.org We look forward for feedback here. Regards, Andrés _________________________________________________________________ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM
Dear Andres: What is demonstrated by the story is the value of direct action. In this regard and assuming ICANN is connected, Twitter or other social media could be additional tools for our use in communicating with ICANN. This is not to say some useful tools don't already exist. Some are hosted by ICANN itself! There are entire blogs dedicated to ICANN issues. Ditto wikis. Even these LACRALO email discussion lists qualify! Unfortunately, not enough of us from LACRALO take the time to connect and comment on issues that would be of interest to ordinary users. And even with comments, ICANN does not have a strong track record of responding to social pressure. This is not to say we should despair. For it appears ICANN tends to be an equal opportunist for non-responsiveness, as evidenced by the recently published gripes of the United States Government. Kind regards, Carlton 2009/2/17 Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com>
Estimados (english below)
El summit será una interesante oportunidad para debatir cuestiones tales como la que aquí ponemos a su consideración. ¿Como llevar la voz de los usuarios individuales en casos como este? ¿Más allá del caso legal, que rol nos compete y que podemos hacer desde At Large?
El resumen del "conflicto" entre cvander y GoDaddy lo pueden encontrar, en español, en http://alt1040.com/2009/02/le-roban-maestrosdelwebcom-y-forosdelwebcom-a-chr..., sus comentarios y notas relacionadas.
AGEIA DENSI ha posteado al respecto en http://ar.ageiandensi.org
Esperamos feedback al respecto.
Saludos,
Andrés
----
Dear All,
The summit will be an excelent opportunity to start new debates related to matters such us this we put here. ¿How is possible to carry the individual users voice? ¿Far from the Legal Case, how can At Large act in this kind of issues?
An english review of cvander and GoDaddy "conflict" can be seen here: http://www.domainnamenews.com/registrars/twitter-users-gang-up-on-godaddy/40...
AGEIA DENSI made also a post, in spanish. http://ar.ageiadensi.org
We look forward for feedback here.
Regards,
Andrés
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