13:20:41 our strategic plan and 13:20:42 RALO. How can we work with 13:20:45 GSA and how can we actually reach out 13:20:47 to the young people and get 13:20:49 them more involved with what we are doing. Because 13:20:52 it's a lost opportunity. Because Jonathan 13:20:54 said in the chat, 13:20:56 it's an ideological thing. But I've 13:20:58 talked to people, like 13:21:01 Mathias and Lorain and stuff. They come 13:21:03 from the same pool. 13:21:06 They didn't adhere to a 13:21:08 certain fill sympathy. We provide 13:21:11 a much more balanced, 13:21:13 more metered response to things. 13:21:16 We are not knee jerk 13:21:18 . We don't see see 13:21:20 the business communities as 13:21:23 -- especially Olivier that did 13:21:25 a suburb job 13:21:27 with the 13:21:29 joint efforts we do with 13:21:31 NCUC and POC as well, 13:21:33 and I think we show we are leaders 13:21:36 leaders. I think the message 13:21:38 didn't resinate with NextGen 13:21:41 because we did a lecture 13:21:44 then disappeared w we need a 13:21:46 conscious effort to make 13:21:48 sure the NextGen 13:21:51 come in and we are relevant to them 13:21:53 . That's my piece, 13:21:55 thank you 13:22:00 . 13:22:04 5Google Sprint I'd like to open up the floor for 13:22:06 discussions. Olivier please. 13:22:08 You have the floor 13:22:12 . >> OLIVIER CREPIN-LEBLOND: Thank you very much Daniel. And 13:22:15 thanks to Glen for 13:22:17 having highlighted a lot of the things 13:22:19 I wanted to point out 13:22:21 . Have also attended a lot of the 13:22:23 NCUC -- 13:22:25 of course the joint At-Large and 13:22:29 MCUC capacity building sessions 13:22:31 but also I guess in other 13:22:33 responsibilities both of to the 13:22:36 Internet society and other organizations 13:22:38 like IGFs and so on 13:22:40 . Worked a lot 13:22:42 with academics and many railroad 13:22:44 NCUC members and 13:22:46 not members At-Large. It's a question that 13:22:48 has been if you go e bugging me for a while. I 13:22:50 said why did you go for 13:22:53 NCUC? It's true in many of 13:22:55 the cases it's case of birds 13:22:57 of a feather flock together. 13:23:00 I know this call is 13:23:02 interpreted so it's hard 13:23:04 to translate this effectively 13:23:07 . It means there are quite a 13:23:09 few actics already 13:23:11 in NCUC and it 13:23:13 brings the interest of more academics 13:23:15 in there they are able to network and talk 13:23:17 to each other. There's a 13:23:20 whole academic community in there. This is 13:23:22 something we may want to rook into as 13:23:24 we have more academics then 13:23:26 may be we can offer them this ability to network 13:23:29 and talk to each other 13:23:31 and perhaps even work 13:23:33 on common issues and certain efforts 13:23:36 we might propose 13:23:38 then they might want to publish on 13:23:40 . Academia is mostly about teaching but 13:23:42 also the research requires 13:23:44 publication and publishing. And 13:23:46 can you know sort of outlook 13:23:48 outside of 13:23:50 the usual circles. The 13:23:52 second thing I did find 13:23:54 also, often we are as much as we 13:23:56 want to be, we want to be 13:23:58 very welcoming 13:24:00 to everyone. But we are not that 13:24:02 well structure for this. So 13:24:04 to give you an idea, at the end 13:24:07 of our joint capacity 13:24:09 building session, 13:24:11 NCUC does a very 13:24:13 quick recap of what they 13:24:16 said and says, if you are interested 13:24:18 in this topic, are here is the person 13:24:20 you need to talk to. That person 13:24:23 is our topic 13:24:25 lead and another person is another 13:24:27 topic lead. And these topic 13:24:29 leads actively go out speaking 13:24:32 to the people that they have seen talk 13:24:33 about specific topics. So they 13:24:36 basically admittedly 13:24:38 many academics don't come into At-Large 13:24:41 or ICANN is can say I want to do everything 13:24:43 . I'm interested in everything 13:24:45 . Many go into specific thing 13:24:47 that they are interested in. And at 13:24:49 MCUC they have a specific topic 13:24:52 lead that immediately brings 13:24:54 him in and says 13:24:56 you don't want to work on other stuff 13:24:58 but I can certainly hold your hand and take you 13:25:02 there. I don't think its mentorship, 13:25:04 I think mentorship goes further 13:25:06 than this. It's something 13:25:08 to welcome you and show you 13:25:11 the represents very quickly and you get thing 13:25:13 started 13:25:17 . >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Thank you very much Olivier. And we have an action 13:25:19 point I think from that presentation. By 13:25:22 Joanna offered 13:25:25 to coordinate the academic outreach and 13:25:28 for the academic engagement 13:25:30 as all. That's an action 13:25:32 point we have from this point. Let 13:25:34 me simply continue this 13:25:36 discussion. Let me hear from 13:25:39 Jonathan then we should get back 13:25:42 to Joanna 13:25:44 . Yes Jonathan 13:25:48 . >> JONATHAN ZUCK: Hi, I guess I agree with Olivier that 13:25:52 identifying specific people to talk would be 13:25:54 useful. I'd 13:25:56 be very interested in academics 13:25:59 like Joanna to see 13:26:01 why they made the choice 13:26:03 to go on with ICANN At-Large 13:26:05 instead of 13:26:07 UCMC. My overly glib about this 13:26:09 , but the rights driven 13:26:12 sort of ideological approach 13:26:14 of NCUC is 13:26:16 very attractive to the 13:26:18 academic community. And that a lot of what we 13:26:21 do is muddy 13:26:23 , trying to figure out what 13:26:25 the interests of end 13:26:27 users really are. It doesn't 13:26:29 have the same 13:26:31 clarity associated with it 13:26:33 protecting the right to privacy 13:26:36 or preacting the right 13:26:38 to free speech offer to you 13:26:40 know people threshly out of school 13:26:43 . So, I'd 13:26:45 be interested in 13:26:47 the 13:26:50 academic academics that 13:26:52 chose not to go 13:26:54 MCUC. Because my impression 13:26:57 of lot of academickics that 13:26:59 come out of the school with 13:27:01 a broadly theoretical way of 13:27:03 the world rather than practical 13:27:06 one and NCUC is set 13:27:08 up ideologically to be a match 13:27:10 for that 13:27:13 . Be 13:27:16 . >> ANNA: Thank you very much Jonathan for that 13:27:18 . Since Joanna already 13:27:20 has her hand up she should be 13:27:22 the best person to answer that. And, also, 13:27:24 Monday the together the chat, I have 13:27:26 at least the 13:27:28 points that 13:27:30 NCUC much more 13:27:32 powerful in the policy making 13:27:34 process and we are downgrade 13:27:37 ed as advisers I 13:27:39 know this was mid land I know how that was 13:27:42 . And they were I 13:27:44 sack is engaged Olivia. 13:27:46 And then this is going to be able to engage 13:27:49 . Then we also need people 13:27:51 in that 13:27:53 the suggestions. Another point is 13:27:56 that the individuals are still sent 13:27:58 from the outside as listen 13:28:00 point and competent 13:28:02 . So individuals believe that 13:28:04 in the NCUC they can count 13:28:06 more. I see all of 13:28:09 this just plans to justify 13:28:11 how we can effectively engage 13:28:13 with the academia. 13:28:16 This point, let me first 13:28:18 give the floor to Joanna 13:28:21 . Then she should be able to continue. 13:28:23 Yes an you a please, you have the 13:28:26 floor. >> 13:28:29 KULESZA: Thank you Daniel I like 13:28:31 this discussion and thank you for hosting it and 13:28:33 can everyone participating and 13:28:36 the chat box and the floor. Let 13:28:38 me just share a personal point of view. 13:28:40 Let me emphasize, 13:28:42 I would very much like to have this discussion 13:28:44 not as a confrontation 13:28:47 . I would very much like us 13:28:49 not to compete with the NCC as 13:28:51 much as I see this happening with 13:28:53 chat. I would rather emphasize 13:28:56 the unique qualities that 13:28:58 the At-Large offers that 13:29:00 is something that Jonathan 13:29:02 has mentioned. 13:29:04 It's a comprehensive 13:29:06 perspective with NC 13:29:08 UC framed. I would rather 13:29:11 emphasize the unique 13:29:13 qualities that At-Large had 13:29:15 to you offer. 13:29:17 mentorship 13:29:19 and experienced qualities and 13:29:21 I found tremendously. 13:29:24 It's not a dramatic 13:29:26 exercise it's on the ground policy 13:29:28 making exercise 13:29:30 that actics can be contributing 13:29:32 to. And this is where it's done and 13:29:34 ICANN does it and 13:29:36 At-Large offers a more comprehensive 13:29:39 perspective. In that sense I would 13:29:41 like the narrative on academic engagement 13:29:44 to focus on the unique qualities 13:29:47 we have rather than 13:29:49 keep keep it as a comparison 13:29:50 or competitive exercise with 13:29:53 other communities. I like to think 13:29:55 about this exercise 13:29:58 as one step or one foot 13:30:00 before the others. Alley 13:30:02 here mentioned 13:30:05 it's an excursion of birds 13:30:07 of a feather flocking together 13:30:10 . Let's have a series of events 13:30:12 , series of 13:30:14 examples how to get younger 13:30:17 academics involved. Those that want to think 13:30:19 in a pragmatic way 13:30:21 those that want to use this opportunity to test their 13:30:23 research on the ground, on the policy 13:30:25 making ground that we have 13:30:27 to offer. None of those activities 13:30:29 I was trying to describe 13:30:31 attend to that chance. So we are trying 13:30:33 to get them informed how this works 13:30:35 . And show them 13:30:37 where their expertise could be used 13:30:39 . For me personally it's not so much 13:30:42 about the competition but rather 13:30:44 it is an exercise in building 13:30:47 bridges and breaking the silos 13:30:49 . I think we have also Adam on 13:30:51 the floor here what has been tremendously 13:30:54 helpful. In coordinating 13:30:56 the work with the 13:30:58 GSC group. I've actually 13:31:01 been in touch with the local 13:31:03 GSC representative here in Poland 13:31:05 . They were planning events, 13:31:08 we were planning 13:31:10 seminars. And so 13:31:12 I would encourage us to plan 13:31:14 our activities to be 13:31:15 more visible rather than have this 13:31:19 comparative exercise. That's something I wanted 13:31:22 to note with regard to the discussion we are 13:31:24 having. Step-by-step 13:31:27 so to speak 13:31:29 and changeable that we can work on 13:31:32 before the -- 13:31:35 >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Net me read a comment with 13:31:37 the role of At-Large you have 13:31:39 to get from a whole lot of groups 13:31:42 and a whole lot of capacity as well 13:31:44 . She totally supports 13:31:46 this initiative she looks at 13:31:48 building for all groups and academia is 13:31:50 one of the groups which I think 13:31:52 is absolutely correct. Let me 13:31:54 get to EURO and then jump 13:31:56 to the next presentation 13:32:00 about At-Large videos 13:32:02 . Please 13:32:08 adealing 13:32:12 Yrjolansipuro 13:32:15 . >> Thank you, I think At-Large should be an 13:32:17 attractive organization for 13:32:19 ICANN those 13:32:21 academia that are interested in researching 13:32:23 the users experience. The 13:32:26 user interests. How 13:32:28 the whole thing looks from the user 13:32:30 point of view. That would be very 13:32:32 -- that would be really beneficial 13:32:34 for us also. The that is 13:32:37 to say, toen 13:32:40 courage research that would 13:32:42 tell us there's more 13:32:44 about user interested 13:32:49 on a research 13:32:53 pace or scientific pace 13:32:56 . 13:32:58 I think that not all 13:33:01 accommodations are not always interested 13:33:03 in what is called here in the 13:33:05 discussion ideological things. 13:33:08 I think that there are probably 13:33:10 are also people that are interested 13:33:12 in research 13:33:15 questions that touch the practical thing 13:33:17 . And we should 13:33:19 try to attract them. 13:33:22 Thank you 13:33:24 . >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Thank you very much Y 13:33:29 rjo it's all about how we are able 13:33:31 to engage. Let me give Adam 13:33:33 the floor then I'll request Natalia 13:33:35 she be able to speak when it comes 13:33:38 to session of social media, working 13:33:41 with representatives. Let me hear 13:33:43 from Adam then Michelle 13:33:46 Jonathan. Adam you have 13:33:49 the 13:33:52 . >> 13:33:56 ADAMPEAKE: Just to follow up 13:33:58 on some 13:34:00 academic ideas. I mention Heidi in the 13:34:02 chat but I look at 13:34:05 for example the 13:34:07 URLO individual members there's a 13:34:10 lot of young academics 13:34:12 there people I recognize from NextGen 13:34:16 and from some of the 13:34:18 European 13:34:20 IGF activities. Euro 13:34:23 dig C dig et cetera. 13:34:25 So you have actually you are a good 13:34:27 , good group of young 13:34:29 ACs. Who 13:34:31 Ph.D. or 13:34:33 post dock that you might begin to look at 13:34:36 . If I can help in 13:34:38 any way, please let me 13:34:40 know. I wanted to -- 13:34:42 maybe the same for all of the 13:34:44 RALOs. I'm not sure 13:34:46 . I open looked at 13:34:48 RALO yesterday 13:34:50 for other reasons. To quickly go 13:34:53 on, gee an amentioned 13:34:55 GSA Europe is supporting some lectures 13:34:57 at her university 13:35:00 . [ 13:35:02 GSEE] if you are 13:35:04 in Europe contact me. If you want contact 13:35:06 with your regional G 13:35:10 SE maybe members topic lead to talk about lectures 13:35:13 that can be delivered online now with individuals 13:35:15 or let me know, of course 13:35:17 you have contacts anyway. Don't shy 13:35:19 away from asking for the online lectures 13:35:21 . This something that GSE 13:35:23 is thinking about. How can 13:35:25 we serve you while we are in this 13:35:27 sort of virtual environment 13:35:31 . And you 13:35:33 know. Give us 13:35:35 your ideas. On the agenda. I think 13:35:37 what is slipping ahead I wanted 13:35:40 to just say a little 13:35:42 bit about out reaches where you might 13:35:44 think about this, the time we have online 13:35:47 . Please do think about web 13:35:50 Mars we can add to your Webinar schedule 13:35:52 . Think about 13:35:54 what the for mark might be 13:35:56 , a Webinar that is 13:35:58 an informational session followed 13:36:00 by a follow up Webinar that is a 13:36:03 discussion where you're putting your sort of 13:36:05 response, considered response rather 13:36:07 than Q&A back to the 13:36:10 representers and the others we have a topic 13:36:12 might be, this is just a suggestion 13:36:15 , would be Internet of things from 13:36:17 DNS which is a paper that 13:36:19 the SSAC 13:36:22 did produce and was going to be 13:36:24 a high at the Cancun meeting and 13:36:26 was not put on the virtual agenda 13:36:28 . The intention of that paper was 13:36:30 to begin a discussion 13:36:32 about those topics. They want 13:36:35 community input on that. That 13:36:37 would be abinteresting way 13:36:40 to have an introduction from say the 13:36:42 office of the CPEs team 13:36:44 and the S sack 13:36:46 team had then take that discussion 13:36:49 where you have a consideration of it and come back with 13:36:51 a later Webinar where 13:36:53 you're discussing your points of view. That might be 13:36:54 an approach that could be taken 13:36:57 for other things. I'm just trying 13:36:59 to throw out ideas that may or may not be helpful 13:37:02 . I hope a little helpful 13:37:05 . Then Joanna mentioned a slide deck 13:37:08 you're preparing again, GSE does a 13:37:10 lot of presentations so 13:37:12 we may get some ideas on what 13:37:15 works or different work from 13:37:17 my office space too. May not 13:37:19 be helpful from you and 13:37:21 maximum. I hope 13:37:23 everyone is safe and well. 13:37:26 Cheers 13:37:28 . >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Thank you very much Adam for that. 13:37:30 Let's proceed to the presentation 13:37:32 with John that will regarding 13:37:35 the videos. Jonathan 13:37:37 you have the floor then Natalia 13:37:42 . >> JONATHAN ZUCK: Thanks. It's interesting, 13:37:44 I'm a big fan of video as 13:37:46 a method of communication 13:37:48 . Being a film 13:37:50 maker and, also, 13:37:53 just because people are 13:37:55 inherently visual. And 13:37:57 I think that they can 13:38:01 be very compelling to try 13:38:03 to get a point across 13:38:05 or help people learn things 13:38:07 . It occurs to me now 13:38:10 , one video we may 13:38:12 need is just about 13:38:14 what the At-Large is, just 13:38:16 so that, because of 13:38:19 how we describe ourselves has 13:38:21 to be done in a consistent 13:38:23 and powerful way, I think 13:38:25 . What I wanted to talk about a little 13:38:28 bit was the result of the 13:38:31 experience that we had with ICANN 13:38:35 67. And I through together 13:38:37 a very quick video 13:38:40 for the DNS abuse 13:38:43 101 At-Large call to action 13:38:46 session. And all of 13:38:48 that really was, 13:38:50 was a PowerPoint that 13:38:52 I recorded as a 13:38:54 video to make it 13:38:56 easier to produce 13:38:58 multiple languages that people get 13:39:00 off You Tube or elsewhere 13:39:03 that had slow connections 13:39:05 and slow bandwidth and 13:39:07 are not normally on the Zoom 13:39:09 room when they participate on calls but 13:39:11 are only on the phones 13:39:14 . So that was my 13:39:16 intention at the time, to really just 13:39:18 provide a way for 13:39:20 people to view 13:39:22 the presentation even 13:39:24 if they were not on the 13:39:27 vroom 13:39:30 room. But as 13:39:33 tiepin stubbly does it leads 13:39:35 to requests about videos and as we talked a 13:39:37 little about educating 13:39:39 the end user as part 13:39:42 of the presentation, there was 13:39:44 a lot of interest in us 13:39:46 creating the videos 13:39:48 and so as I started thinking about 13:39:50 that, it started to create some 13:39:52 foundational questions that 13:39:55 I wanted to put in front of other people 13:39:58 to discuss. Because I don't necessarily 13:40:00 know the answers. So 13:40:02 I wanted to have 13:40:05 us discuss them. One of the 13:40:07 things that marketing 13:40:10 101 we learned along time ago 13:40:12 . But it's often when 13:40:14 designing a proposal 13:40:16 , PowerPoint, 13:40:18 et cetera is a different formula, 13:40:21 the audience with 13:40:23 purpose equals design. If you have a good 13:40:25 sense of who you're trying to speak 13:40:27 to and what you want from them, that will be a 13:40:29 powerful guide to the way you 13:40:31 actually create a presentation or 13:40:34 video. And 13:40:36 the video I created for 13:40:38 DNS abuse session 13:40:40 was specifically targeted at people 13:40:42 that were already part of At-Large 13:40:44 to get them kind of spun up and 13:40:47 excited about DNS abuse 13:40:50 being 13:40:52 an important and 13:40:55 motivating top for the At-Large 13:40:57 in the 13:40:59 coming year. Next slide ised 13:41:02 . One of the things I did 13:41:05 for this presentation to you all, 13:41:07 was to think a little before it about what some 13:41:09 of our audience 13:41:11 s are and what in 13:41:15 some of our purposes are. They 13:41:17 might help to think about, what 13:41:20 kind of content the 13:41:22 At-Large would want to create 13:41:24 and for whom. And we shouldn't make 13:41:26 the mistake that 13:41:28 everything we create is for all 13:41:31 audiences. Or they will end 13:41:33 up not being particular good 13:41:35 for any of them. 13:41:37 It's just some things I thought 13:41:40 of, 13:41:42 purposes education, broadly 13:41:44 recruitment. Training of people that 13:41:46 already been recruited, inspiration 13:41:49 for people potentially 13:41:54 to come to action. And 13:41:56 then finally advocacy. 13:41:58 And then I saw 13:42:00 a few audiences that 13:42:02 we might be trying to reach out 13:42:05 to with our content. One is 13:42:07 the ICANN community 13:42:09 itself, the broader ICANN community. 13:42:11 It can either be about the 13:42:13 role of At-Large or just an issue 13:42:15 that we want to get more people in 13:42:17 the ICANN community 13:42:19 thinking in the way 13:42:22 that we are. 13:42:24 For example, we could produce 13:42:26 a video about our perspective 13:42:29 on the EDPD process 13:42:31 or GDPR 13:42:34 compliance and the impact on end users. 13:42:36 We could be talking about 13:42:38 a video about 13:42:42 the PIR acquisition 13:42:44 to the extent 13:42:47 to which we are concerned about the impact on users 13:42:49 . Things like that, where we can 13:42:52 make it available for a tool in the ICANN 13:42:54 community to understand what it is that we are 13:42:56 trying to get across and get some 13:42:59 other constituencies on 13:43:01 board. Then there's the At-Large 13:43:04 community itself as it exists 13:43:06 today and educational 13:43:09 component if we want to teach people 13:43:11 about an issue, or especially 13:43:13 the people that are not always in 13:43:15 the room with us. The people 13:43:17 that you remember, 13:43:20 RALOS and 13:43:22 AOSs it can be content and 13:43:24 material created for them. 13:43:27 Geek theogy names video 13:43:30 I did sort of falls into 13:43:32 that category. There can be 13:43:34 training and this is some of the stuff Joanna 13:43:36 already talked about. How 13:43:38 to do policy development when you're in 13:43:40 the At-Large. How to do outreach. 13:43:43 All of those things can also 13:43:45 be done as videos. And the idea 13:43:47 of inspiringation. The idea 13:43:50 behind the DNS abuse 13:43:52 session that I did. It really was 13:43:54 aimed at those that already know what 13:43:56 the At-Large is, to say 13:43:58 let's get together and make sure that 13:44:01 we are all feeling about about taking 13:44:03 on DNS abuse 13:44:06 . all know the talking points going 13:44:08 forward. Then the motion of 13:44:11 potential At-Largeers. Which are the people 13:44:12 that are out there, 13:44:15 whether it's academics or other students 13:44:17 or members of ALSes et cetera 13:44:19 , that we think are good audience 13:44:21 for people that 13:44:23 could become active numbers in the 13:44:26 At-Large. They could use just about any 13:44:28 of these types of videos. So, 13:44:31 aiming things at them 13:44:33 where we they know where At-Large and ICANN is 13:44:35 , and they are trying to decide, trying 13:44:38 to get them involved or try 13:44:40 to help them understand what is being involved 13:44:43 in being involved. Et cetera 13:44:45 . That's a particular 13:44:47 audience. Then finally, 13:44:49 ironically probably the 13:44:52 audience we have dealt 13:44:53 with the least are end 13:44:56 users themselves. One of the 13:44:59 thing she suggested during the 13:45:01 DNS abuse session and 13:45:03 ICANN 67 is we would be attempted 13:45:05 to do some education of end users 13:45:07 . And kind of avail ourselves 13:45:10 of the enormous network 13:45:12 that we have built 13:45:15 to push information out to end users 13:45:17 about said use and 13:45:19 how social engineering 13:45:23 works, how the spot a 13:45:25 fishing email and things like 13:45:27 that. Things that would be square 13:45:31 ly at the ICANN 13:45:33 or ICANN development or At-Large 13:45:35 or simply end users who 13:45:37 we are attempting 13:45:42 of whose interest we are trying to represent 13:45:45 . That's a potential audience 13:45:47 for content creation as well 13:45:49 . Any questions about this 13:45:51 ? 13:45:53 Did you want to say something 13:45:55 ? 13:45:59 >> Jonathan I can see your position is 13:46:01 really great. And 13:46:04 if we come 13:46:06 to join, looks like we 13:46:09 got key inputs that you can see. Much 13:46:11 in videos 13:46:13 you have created could they be added to the 13:46:17 You Tube channel and At-Large. 13:46:19 I think that also the social 13:46:21 media working group also has the test 13:46:24 to keep on sharing those videos. 13:46:26 In their respective 13:46:28 areas. And if they can monitor traction 13:46:30 . I'm not sure, I don't know 13:46:33 can some analytics 13:46:35 be put behind the perspective 13:46:37 videos? In 13:46:40 that we will be able to know 13:46:41 the distribution of accessibility 13:46:45 of those videos. I think 13:46:46 that helps [Dan 13:46:49 yell] and I think also what 13:46:51 comes to mind is if the 13:46:53 possible we could have to 13:46:55 coordinate together with 13:46:58 CPWG in having that list T social 13:47:00 media weekly teams. 13:47:02 For instance we can probably 13:47:04 have the last week focusing 13:47:07 on ADP D or 13:47:09 DNS views. And once the videos 13:47:12 are shared a list can act as 13:47:14 a formal capacity building 13:47:16 . And, also, to enable 13:47:18 the members understand exactly what 13:47:20 is transparent in reference 13:47:23 of the the respective policies 13:47:25 that are being discussed 13:47:29 . Within At-Large and, also, ICANN At-Large 13:47:31 . With that, I don't know that there's something 13:47:33 to add on, but 13:47:35 Natalia also has her hands 13:47:37 up. Natalia what would you like 13:47:40 to say? >> Natalia 13:47:43 : Thank you very much Daniel. 13:47:45 Natalia speaking. I'd like 13:47:48 to share my point of view 13:47:50 on this truth on 13:47:53 of this. First of all, 13:47:55 I'd like the say we are used to seeing 13:47:57 our outreach and engagement 13:47:59 work is work outside work 13:48:01 . But I think in this 13:48:04 , very hard 13:48:06 situation, 13:48:08 it all changed 13:48:10 our lecture. And I think 13:48:13 that we should now 13:48:15 pay our attention not just 13:48:17 on the -- in 13:48:20 there but the possibilities of working who 13:48:22 is an 13:48:25 certainly EDNs. Because all they said yesterday 13:48:27 or two days ago or a week, 13:48:29 we all have thousands. 13:48:31 We are starting to use 13:48:33 our current members. 13:48:35 With this lack of face-to-face 13:48:39 evens physical opportunity to see each 13:48:41 other and do something together, 13:48:43 I mean even. So, 13:48:47 therefore in addition to focus 13:48:49 ing on where we talk communications 13:48:51 and out to reach events, are 13:48:53 now we should 13:48:55 think about working 13:48:59 to involve one current members. And 13:49:01 IOS members 13:49:03 . I mean 13:49:05 additional people in our policy work or 13:49:07 walk and J element. So this 13:49:10 perspective, 13:49:12 does the first place our capacity 13:49:15 building work first. And 13:49:18 way important 13:49:20 to think about of 13:49:22 our internal communications too 13:49:25 . So, of course 13:49:28 if I may start now 13:49:30 to say about our 13:49:32 social media. 13:49:35 What -- I think of course 13:49:37 we need to think of the 13:49:39 books now and we need 13:49:41 to create 13:49:43 I think I don't know. 13:49:46 Maybe new very useful tools 13:49:48 . From our 13:49:50 audience. Our prime end 13:49:53 users. So we need 13:49:55 to create and post more videos 13:49:58 . Because our leaders 13:50:00 , leaders of At-Large 13:50:03 are really 13:50:06 I don't know to say it, really inspiration 13:50:09 of people we need 13:50:12 not to entertain our audience 13:50:14 . But we need 13:50:25 to give more annual updates 13:50:25 and explanation of our work, our 13:50:25 role in ICANN our processes 13:50:26 , why easier 13:50:26 way and interesting language for people 13:50:27 . Because not so much 13:50:30 technical people 13:50:32 , I think our 13:50:36 we can awful join in guys 13:50:39 . So about 13:50:42 our previous talk I can. ACs 13:50:44 and young people that can join us 13:50:47 . Academics. Now I 13:50:49 see our great 13:50:51 potential in direction with 13:50:54 for example like in 13:50:58 you'ral IGF 13:51:00 movement. Sooming it is not about 13:51:03 [indiscernible] because 13:51:06 this movement share 13:51:10 their activities. And we can 13:51:13 see or 13:51:15 sync into about our 13:51:17 joint force this this work. Which 13:51:20 to you and educational 13:51:23 institutions. And in such 13:51:26 UNs that join 13:51:28 offers for 13:51:30 this 13:51:32 outing if we meet each 13:51:35 other in Poland 13:51:37 . And, as my colleagues 13:51:39 said, academia 13:51:42 is we are a special audience 13:51:44 researchers too. And I think we need 13:51:47 to show them very 13:51:49 especially benefits to join us we 13:51:52 need have 13:51:54 mutual interests. And I think 13:51:57 it's just only if 13:52:01 good and nice way 13:52:03 to involve more people from this audience 13:52:06 too. Thank you very much 13:52:10 . >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Thank you very much 13:52:13 Natalia for that. At this point I'd 13:52:16 like to call upon a volunteer 13:52:18 that would be able to walk 13:52:20 with Jonathan Zack on developing 13:52:23 the different perspective policy 13:52:25 related videos. 13:52:28 Where also act as cognition 13:52:30 point together with the social media 13:52:32 working group leads 13:52:36 . To share this respective 13:52:38 videos about the given period of time 13:52:40 . Can we have any volunteers 13:52:43 from the clock 13:52:45 ? 13:52:47 >> JONATHAN ZUCK: I think particular of what we are talking about 13:52:49 doing is maybe creating some kind of 13:52:52 a subcommittee that 13:52:54 works on identifying what videos it is 13:52:56 that we would might actually want 13:52:58 to create. And then 13:53:01 design them and assign a 13:53:04 -- the equivalent of a pen holder 13:53:07 for the creation of that video 13:53:10 . I don't have a list of videos I'm 13:53:12 trying to create 13:53:14 necessarily. That's part of what I wanted to discuss 13:53:17 . How we go about deciding 13:53:19 what content we want to create 13:53:21 . Because a 13:53:23 perfect example 13:53:25 of this is on the issue 13:53:27 of DNS abuse. As 13:53:29 I started to do 13:53:32 research it became 13:53:33 clear that the DNS 13:53:35 abuse is not even terminology 13:53:38 that could be socialized outside of ICANN 13:53:41 there's not even a Wiki 13:53:43 page, Wikipedia 13:53:45 page on DNS abuse 13:53:49 people. People have learned about individual 13:53:51 things, like fishing and farming. 13:53:53 Not in the context 13:53:55 of DNS so do we 13:53:57 want to be socially I'ding the term of 13:53:59 DNS abuse 13:54:02 out or sticking 13:54:04 to vocabulary they already know 13:54:06 like cyber crime. And, also, 13:54:09 is this an area we want 13:54:11 to create content or just look for the content 13:54:13 that is already out there. Such 13:54:15 as the videos that are created by 13:54:17 FTC for example. Maybe do 13:54:20 some translation. And then 13:54:22 use our infrastructure 13:54:24 to give them 13:54:27 better visual or distribution. So I feel like those 13:54:29 kinds of decisions are 13:54:32 decisions that should have been made than by 13:54:34 me in particular. That 13:54:36 what content do we want to create 13:54:39 ? What content do we 13:54:41 want to borrow 13:54:43 . Versus what content do we 13:54:46 want the distribute. I hope those 13:54:48 questions make sense, that's what I was trying 13:54:51 to get at as 13:54:53 the -- >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Okay 13:54:55 . >> JONATHAN ZUCK: So that's why I started talk about 13:54:57 this issue more generally. I feel 13:54:59 likes it's an ongoing conversation, 13:55:01 to figure out what type of 13:55:03 describedose would be useful. Like I said 13:55:06 , the conversation we just had, 13:55:09 suggests there needs to be a better 13:55:11 presentation of just what At-Large is 13:55:13 , for example 13:55:15 . Then currently 13:55:19 exists. The rest of my presentation 13:55:21 was also to talk a little about 13:55:23 the fact that videos don't need 13:55:25 to be intimidating. 13:55:28 All the videos from me 13:55:30 are created in PowerPoint. They are not using 13:55:32 the other tools that I use as a film 13:55:34 maker like premier 13:55:36 or after effects or anything like that. 13:55:38 They literally all 13:55:40 have been created via the capabilities 13:55:43 of PowerPoint. The other question I was 13:55:45 going to ask is 13:55:47 whether or not I should try to teach 13:55:49 a class or record a 13:55:51 class on how to create a video on 13:55:53 PowerPoint or keynote, 13:55:55 et cetera. Really anyone can do 13:55:57 it, it's not a technical 13:56:00 skill 13:56:03 . >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Okay, 13:56:05 . >> JONATHAN ZUCK: Sounds like we are running you out of 13:56:07 time sorry 13:56:09 . >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Thank you very much Jonathan. At this 13:56:11 point since time is not our best friend I'm 13:56:13 going to create an action point. 13:56:15 We call a team of volunteers to be 13:56:18 able to have this 13:56:20 discussion on video presentation and 13:56:22 discussing of the 13:56:24 different perspective thinks 13:56:27 things. This will be a group 13:56:30 that will be comprised of 13:56:32 a little member. List one 13:56:34 or two members from the 13:56:36 socially working group and one or 13:56:38 two members from CPWG 13:56:40 and one or go members from 13:56:42 the office team. And I think that would be great 13:56:44 . And, also, I take 13:56:46 a class would be so great to be 13:56:49 able to trained on how to create 13:56:51 these medias. So with this, allow 13:56:53 me to get into the next 13:56:56 item on the agenda 13:56:59 . Which is 13:57:01 discussion with different 13:57:03 social media working 13:57:05 group regional presenttives 13:57:07 how to implement the 13:57:10 various strategy for 13:57:12 implement during the time. What would be 13:57:14 recommended 13:57:17 outcome social media working group 13:57:19 . Would they be a list 13:57:21 of on plan 13:57:24 plan for O/E 13:57:26 . Or daily tweets 13:57:28 targeted for people 13:57:30 and would close 13:57:32 if who may be at home on the 13:57:34 call to give us at least brief 13:57:36 updates 13:57:41 . Who is available on the call? 13:57:43 To be able 13:57:45 to go fast 13:57:59 . Could I please know over the 13:58:02 respective different 13:58:04 regional representatives working group? Available on 13:58:06 the call? 13:58:16 Okay, apparently it seems 13:58:18 there's none that is ready to take up the 13:58:20 floor. I'll just simply skip 13:58:22 that item on the agenda 13:58:25 . And, also, since we have been having 13:58:27 various discussions about how to engage 13:58:31 your social media may be proceed 13:58:33 to agenda item number 13:58:35 5 which is regarding to At-Large 13:58:37 communication strategy. Let me 13:58:40 give the floor to Maureen 13:58:42 to work us through the communication strategy 13:58:45 . >> MAUREEN HILYARD: Thank you Daniel 13:58:48 . I hope I can 13:58:50 be heard 13:58:52 . Right, can we have 13:58:55 a copy of the 13:58:58 spreadsheet. 13:59:00 Please 13:59:05 am I competing with someone else online 13:59:08 ? Okay. One 13:59:10 of the things that 13:59:12 well it actually being 13:59:15 uploaded, one of the things 13:59:17 she just puppet for comment 13:59:19 out to At-Large is 13:59:22 of course the draft At-Large 13:59:24 communications strategy 13:59:26 . One of the things that you 13:59:28 know we -- I did decide 13:59:31 when we were 13:59:34 ATLAS was the need to make sure we 13:59:36 got the right 13:59:39 kind of messages out to the targeted 13:59:41 groups that we were focusing on. Up with 13:59:43 of the most important ones 13:59:45 of course at the Monday 13:59:48 trial meeting was the ICANN 13:59:50 community itself sew, 13:59:53 Jonathan was very much part 13:59:55 of that by providing us 13:59:57 with talking points for the 13:59:59 policy. It was really good to be able 14:00:02 to take these. Use the 14:00:04 communication model to try and 14:00:07 get those messages that you 14:00:09 know bethought were important at 14:00:11 that particular point this time to get out, you 14:00:14 know any conversations that 14:00:17 we could have wherever. But, so 14:00:19 that when we were developing 14:00:21 the communications strategy at 14:00:23 that particular point in time, we wanted 14:00:26 to ensure that the strategy 14:00:28 itself was simple 14:00:31 , format was clear, 14:00:33 search. The message and 14:00:35 the methodology weighs 14:00:37 easy to understand and 14:00:40 like a very 14:00:42 simplified model. I think that 14:00:44 communications ICANN 14:00:47 communications 14:00:51 gave us 14:00:53 was really very useful 14:00:55 and we were actually we were 14:00:59 actually able to put it into practice. We 14:01:01 found it valuable 14:01:04 to it was easy to relate to 14:01:06 . So, this way 14:01:09 therefore we have focused 14:01:11 our At-Large strategy 14:01:13 on based it on the 14:01:15 same model. One of the things 14:01:17 that sort of like 14:01:20 you know, I mean 14:01:22 this is encompassing 14:01:24 , this strategy 14:01:26 does encompass and 14:01:28 focuses on the 14:01:31 3 areas of priority activities within 14:01:33 At-Large. And of course, 14:01:35 they are outreach and engagement 14:01:37 . A big session on it. 14:01:39 But there's also a policy and you 14:01:41 know the strategy 14:01:43 has ever these being cropped 14:01:46 w developed even within the policy, 14:01:48 the policy platform and talking points 14:01:50 there's already some idea -- people 14:01:52 are already gathering to give some idea of 14:01:54 what the communication needs 14:01:57 with the policy. With an organization, 14:02:00 of course, that sort of like anything 14:02:02 that isn't policy and outreach. 14:02:05 That it incorporates a lot 14:02:07 of the partnership activities that we have 14:02:10 with other communities within ICANN 14:02:12 . The sorts of things that 14:02:15 are very important 14:02:17 to At-Large. 14:02:19 But are not part of 14:02:22 the core activities which you 14:02:24 and this group and the policy group 14:02:26 are engaged 14:02:29 . I think that one of the important things 14:02:31 about this meeting and the discussions that 14:02:33 we have just had is that 14:02:36 we have actually identified the needs of 14:02:38 the many communities that the outreach 14:02:40 and engagement group are 14:02:42 going to, like 14:02:44 having to interact with and 14:02:48 finding one 8th 14:02:50 of how are you going 14:02:53 to incorporate those -- the different 14:02:57 needs of interesting new you are going to be 14:02:59 required to meet the 14:03:01 needs of the different 14:03:04 group within At-Large 14:03:06 . We are going from extremes of 14:03:09 people this that know nothing, 14:03:10 to you know the academic level now 14:03:13 . There's a big range of 14:03:15 people in between. So, 14:03:18 it's how do you break those groups up and how 14:03:21 are our ambassadors 14:03:23 within the community going the communicate 14:03:26 , it's important to all of those 14:03:27 different groups appropriately. So, 14:03:30 I think that one of the things that like 14:03:32 I would like 14:03:34 to see, even when 14:03:36 you select commenting on the At-Large 14:03:38 strategy but also be looking at, 14:03:40 you know within the outreach and engagement 14:03:43 , what sort of communications 14:03:45 strategy are you going 14:03:48 to have to build, especially in leave it 14:03:50 of the new environment on 14:03:52 which we are working. Face-to-face 14:03:54 is not owing 14:03:56 to be the most 14:04:00 plopper way of working with communities 14:04:02 . And sore of the of like 14:04:05 in the near future. Going down the 14:04:07 track, maybe. Look at 14:04:09 , your strategies got to be looking at 14:04:12 , if we can't do it face-to-face, 14:04:14 what are the alternatives. 14:04:16 It's got to be quite encompassing 14:04:18 . You got really excellent people within 14:04:20 this team and I'm sure you can 14:04:22 , that the strategy that 14:04:25 you develop for this particular 14:04:28 group, working group, 14:04:30 incorporating all of those things you need 14:04:33 to do is possible. And you 14:04:36 know, 14:04:39 I mean Jonathan 14:04:40 already provided 14:04:42 like some identified sort of 14:04:44 the areas that we 14:04:47 need to be 14:04:49 focusing on. That he 14:04:51 can use video with 14:04:53 . But 14:04:55 there are already other methodologies 14:04:58 that have already been started. Going to be included 14:05:00 . That are specific 14:05:02 on the outreach and engagement 14:05:05 . So any questions? 14:05:08 Happy to take them 14:05:15 or leave them with you, and let you 14:05:17 sort of like ruminate over 14:05:20 them and just work with 14:05:22 them as appropriate. 14:05:25 Thank you Daniel. >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Thank you very much 14:05:27 Maureen. Welcome questions 14:05:29 regarding to the strategy 14:05:32 . Does anyone have any 14:05:34 questions? 14:05:37 Going once, going 14:05:39 twice. Okay, since we are not 14:05:41 having any questions, I'd like 14:05:44 to thank you Maureen for that presentation 14:05:46 . There's a lot that is being 14:05:48 done especially to alter strategies 14:05:50 to be able to fit with 14:05:52 online the presence 14:05:55 online office engagement. I think 14:05:57 that's still some work that 14:05:59 has got to be done regarding the strategy 14:06:02 , thank you very much for that. The next 14:06:04 on my agenda, we need a 14:06:06 list of group update 14:06:08 on the ICANN 14:06:13 2020 I'll give the floor to Adam 14:06:15 . Adam you have the floor 14:06:18 . >> ADAM 14:06:21 PEAKE: 14:06:23 Hi everybody. Apologies, I was trying 14:06:26 to unmute as 14:06:29 usual p not very much to update 14:06:31 at the moment. We are like 14:06:33 everybody wondering what is happening 14:06:35 with the world. 14:06:37 However, 14:06:39 ICANN is intending to be there. 14:06:42 ICANN Org, I mean with the usually 14:06:44 types of participation 14:06:46 sessions. Open 14:06:48 forum. 14:06:52 Day zero event and consideration at 14:06:54 the moment of whether or not 14:06:56 to submit an ICANN 14:07:00 Org type of sessions request workshop 14:07:03 request 14:07:05 . That will probably be 14:07:08 this year and that's something again we are 14:07:10 considering. That would be open 14:07:12 to sharing unless 14:07:14 you decide to go down your own path. 14:07:17 And that's really a decision for 14:07:19 the At-Large 14:07:21 . We haven't had any internal 14:07:23 calls about this at the moment. You are 14:07:25 probably seeing there's deadlines 14:07:27 coming up and they pulled 14:07:30 the 15th for 14:07:32 various thing you may 14:07:34 want to consider, that's all I need 14:07:36 to the website. 14:07:39 I think that's probe about it. Other 14:07:41 than to say, this really goes bag 14:07:43 to the academic topic we spoke of earlier 14:07:46 . We will be 14:07:48 supporting in small way 14:07:51 , the group 14:07:53 the academics of governance 14:07:56 that always meet on day zero of the 14:07:58 IGF and 14:08:00 Joanna on planning 14:08:03 an event for post docs or 14:08:06 Ph.D. students after the 14:08:08 IGF and we will be 14:08:11 best to support one way or another. But 14:08:13 it's the best at the moment to look at 14:08:15 IGF website, look 14:08:17 at the deadlines and consider what 14:08:19 you're going to submit for 14:08:23 your selves. And 14:08:25 it is again, if it's an 14:08:28 ICANN you are more than welcome 14:08:30 the share, that's the decision you may 14:08:32 need the Mike if you 14:08:35 want independent or 14:08:38 not. Thank you. >> Adam you should mention about 14:08:40 the Webinar April 14:08:43 6th 14:08:48 . >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Thank you very much Adam for that. I think at this point 14:08:50 we need to set up at least a 14:08:52 workspace for 14:08:55 the 2020 AGF 14:08:57 . So I'm going to request staff 14:08:59 to work on that. And, also, 14:09:01 Judith mentioned there's going to be 14:09:05 an AGF Webinar in the next two weeks. 14:09:06 Judith do you have a list 14:09:09 of precise time the Webinar 14:09:11 will takes place I believe the members will like 14:09:13 to know that. >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN: I think 14:09:16 it's April 6th but I can forward an email 14:09:18 to the group. 14:09:21 Yeah, 14:09:24 Glen, thanks for posting it 14:09:26 . April 6 at 14:09:28 1400 UTC 14:09:30 . And Glen has documented this 14:09:32 on his IG 14:09:35 F page 14:09:38 . >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Thank you very much Glen for that information. And, also, 14:09:42 Judith from sharing that perspective information also 14:09:45 . I think this discusses and preparations 14:09:47 will be going on. 14:09:50 I 14:09:52 also do them month updates as 14:09:54 AGF is one of the key activities we 14:09:56 get involved in 14:09:58 . Next we shall item on the agenda is you are 14:10:00 going to allow us an update regarding 14:10:03 to the RALO discussion on 14:10:05 the Court finding. 14:10:07 That was from start 14:10:10 and -- also, we should be able 14:10:12 to hear and have a discussion about the 14:10:14 various challenges here. This is 14:10:17 the fact that the discussion 14:10:19 on the discussion area 14:10:22 will be held more 14:10:24 comprehensively during the ALT 14:10:26 call. I 14:10:28 talk about this 14:10:31 group discussion or this. 14:10:33 Hadia or 14:10:42 . >> Mary, this is Heidi. Mine 14:10:44 will be really quick. Should I good first 14:10:46 and hand it to you. >> Mary 14:10:48 : Sure thing Heidi, 14:10:50 go ahead. >> HEIDI ULLRICH: I wanted to show 14:10:53 you the ray low discretionary 14:10:55 funding. I put it 14:10:57 into the chat [ 14:10:59 RALO] if you can scroll 14:11:01 down. This is a staff authorized 14:11:05 activity. We 14:11:07 closely with the chairs 14:11:09 regional leadership of the 14:11:11 RALOs to help you with these 14:11:13 requests. Now, 14:11:16 there are -- this requires a 14:11:18 3 week advanced notice. So there's still 14:11:20 time do this, for fiscal 14:11:22 year 20. Keep in mind these activities 14:11:24 are not just travel. There's a lot 14:11:27 of opportunity now 14:11:29 to have activities such as printing. 14:11:31 If you might wish 14:11:33 to think ahead to fiscal 14:11:35 year 21. You can 14:11:38 print materials now for fiscal 14:11:40 rear 21. That's for sure 14:11:42 and you can do pro mogul items 14:11:44 . 14:11:47 And this is partial true for the regions 14:11:50 having their assemblies 14:11:52 that. The RALO and rack 14:11:54 RALO. And fiscal 14:11:56 21. There's still a chance to go ahead and 14:11:58 submit the requests here. 14:12:01 So, if there are any questions 14:12:03 here, again, this is not the place 14:12:05 to talk about process. 14:12:08 That process is handled at 14:12:10 the regional leadership level 14:12:12 not outreach and engagement. 14:12:14 So I would ask that you don't ask any 14:12:16 questions about the process here. And I'm 14:12:18 going the turn it over to Mary 14:12:21 to talk about 14:12:24 CROP thank you 14:12:29 . >> Mary: I see Judith has her hand up. 14:12:31 I don't know if there was 14:12:33 a question. >> HEIDI ULLRICH: It was a question. 14:12:35 You said publications. 14:12:37 I thought public -- I 14:12:40 thought pro sures and that type were 14:12:42 a different funding 14:12:44 treatment 14:12:48 . >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN: Like At-Large brochures 14:12:50 or the male cards 14:12:52 or RALO brochures I thought 14:12:54 that was that different funding 14:12:56 extreme. >> HEIDI ULLRICH: So those are, again 14:12:58 , we are trying to make them work closely 14:13:00 with the communications department and 14:13:03 those are 14:13:06 to be as extended length as 14:13:09 possible. So, are if you would 14:13:11 like extra ones or if you want 14:13:13 special ones for a particular policy 14:13:15 or particular event, that's 14:13:17 what I'm talking 14:13:20 about. You see for example we had 14:13:22 a request from F 14:13:25 RALO of an event they were 14:13:27 holding they wanted it for that event as well in 14:13:29 a local language. Those are the types of event 14:13:31 . These are not necessarily the 14:13:34 RALO brochures we are a talking about. 14:13:37 Or the male 14:13:41 mail cards we are talking about 14:13:47 . >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN: Thank you very much, I was a little unclear 14:13:49 on that. >> Marry 14:13:52 iy had Wo 14:13:57 ng: Heidi I'll jump in, I realize 14:13:59 we are probably going to run out of time. I don't have 14:14:01 a presentation or long update. 14:14:03 Heidi asked me to join this call 14:14:05 just to take your questions and to give 14:14:07 you a sense of where things 14:14:10 stand with CROP for the remainder 14:14:12 of this financial year. Basically 14:14:14 as you will know, we are in a time of 14:14:16 uncertainty. And you have probably 14:14:18 seen that ICANN 14:14:20 Org has taken some measures 14:14:23 to try to address a few things 14:14:25 during this current crisis. First of 14:14:27 all, most of our staff 14:14:29 have been asked to work from 14:14:32 home at shall at possible 14:14:34 . And, also, in respect 14:14:38 to up coming events you may have seen that 14:14:40 the GDD summit and 14:14:41 associated events that were planned for 14:14:44 early May have also been cans 14:14:46 he had. This is all of course because of 14:14:47 COVID 189. 14:14:49 I see Glen the question in the 14:14:51 can chat, 14:14:54 for CROP we are looking what ever funding 14:14:56 remains through each of 14:14:59 your groups through June of this year. That's the end 14:15:01 of ICANN's financial year 14:15:04 . So 30th June 14:15:06 2020. First of all, I think the fact that 14:15:08 you're thinking about it and looking 14:15:11 ahead is really great, it's really timely 14:15:13 . At the same time there has not been 14:15:15 any decisions made beyond the ones I just told 14:15:17 you. So it is basically a little bit at 14:15:20 a time 14:15:22 . Exactly Glen. Some event 14:15:24 were canceled and given 14:15:26 the lead time for travel, 14:15:28 I assume that any 14:15:30 additional remaining trips, exactly 14:15:33 is the 8 weeks notice. We 14:15:36 looking presumeably 14:15:38 that trips some of you may take 14:15:41 to out reach in May and June. 14:15:43 I see Dave your question about the 14:15:46 ICANN 68 meeting 14:15:48 no decision has been reached or made 14:15:50 about that as of yet ICANN 14:15:53 or the board at this moment thinking through 14:15:55 not just ICANN 68 but 14:15:58 activities and priorities 14:16:00 going over the next few months 14:16:02 . Because this 14:16:04 crept crisis has of course made it very 14:16:07 difficult for a lot of our community 14:16:09 members, ourselves included as 14:16:11 well as staff given the demands of 14:16:14 family, children and a whole bunch of other 14:16:16 things. We really need 14:16:18 they orient some of on the priorities and that's the 14:16:20 discussion that is happening internally and with 14:16:23 the board. I'm sorry 14:16:25 , Mary, 6 weeks notice 14:16:27 . But regardless we are looking at 14:16:29 May and June. So what I can 14:16:31 say to you today, is that 14:16:33 at the 14:16:38 moment CROP remains funded 14:16:39 the allocation are through the end of the 14:16:42 year, 30th of June 14:16:45 2020. The situation is very dynamic 14:16:47 since trips funded by ICANN 14:16:50 to the extent that a decision 14:16:52 is made within the next month 14:16:54 or couple of months, 14:16:56 that would be no events and no travel, 14:16:58 that will obviously 14:17:00 impact any proposals that 14:17:02 anyone may have made under crop as 14:17:04 well. So what I'll 14:17:07 say is that there are traps 14:17:09 that you are planning to take, you 14:17:11 should go ahead and develop 14:17:13 the proposal and you 14:17:16 pit in this accordance with the 14:17:18 6 weeks deadline. But please be 14:17:20 prepared that things could change and obviously 14:17:23 Heidi and her team and I will come 14:17:25 back to you if there's anything we hear 14:17:27 about coming down the pike 14:17:29 . But as of 14:17:31 nowers this is where things stand. I stop here 14:17:34 , I see Olivier you have your hand 14:17:36 up and I am sure folks you have 14:17:38 comments and questions as well 14:17:41 . >> OLIVIER CREPIN-LEBLOND: Thank you very much Marie. And 14:17:43 thank you for coming on the call and pointing 14:17:46 out where ICANN is 14:17:48 at the moment in this exceptional 14:17:51 circumstances. The concern I have 14:17:53 with regards to CROP of 14:17:55 last years is that we have 14:17:57 got the week's notice 14:18:00 that is required and of course the 14:18:02 deadline for the fiscal year being the 14:18:04 end of 14:18:06 June. And the at the same time we are 14:18:08 seeing growth growth in what is going on 14:18:11 with the 14:18:14 COVID 19 vier e 14:18:16 virus. Airlines pretty much out the business at the 14:18:18 moment 14:18:21 . Having down. And well Olympic games over the 14:18:23 summer that have now been moved 14:18:25 to next 14:18:27 year. In Europe all events have 14:18:30 been canceled, all of the way up 14:18:32 to June. I can't think of a 14:18:34 single one that is remaining. So in 14:18:36 our region it looks as though there's not 14:18:38 going to be any opportunity 14:18:40 for trough trips. In fact the governor 14:18:42 is not even letting you cross 14:18:44 the road these days. Let alone 14:18:46 going to get your daily food 14:18:48 . So the concern I have is you know we have 14:18:50 got the 14:18:53 allocationas rightly mentioned 14:18:55 would there be a chance of ICANN 14:18:58 reallocating this allocation so 14:19:00 we don't lose the funds all together and 14:19:02 use this as a opportunity for us to perhaps 14:19:04 do is a bit more with the 14:19:07 discretionary funding. So as 14:19:10 to prepare ourselves better for 14:19:12 the post 14:19:14 COVID 19 things we are 14:19:16 going to have to do. I know 14:19:18 it's impossible to, and we have discussed 14:19:20 it on many occasions it's 14:19:23 impossible to transfer funds from 14:19:25 one year to the next fiscal year 14:19:27 . But spending the money this year on 14:19:29 stuff we can store in the meantime 14:19:32 such at what Heidi 14:19:34 was mentioning and pins 14:19:36 and stickers. All of this 14:19:38 stuff could be something that might be helpful with 14:19:40 a bit more funds rather than just 14:19:46 loosing them all together 14:19:50 . >> Marie thanks very much 14:19:52 hi if Olivier and pointing out the challenges 14:19:54 even if one where 14:19:56 to say it's a good opportunity 14:19:58 for a friendship a lot is canceled and 14:20:01 then the are you able to get there given 14:20:02 what is happening to the airlines. Your question 14:20:05 is similar on the something 14:20:08 Glen and alley asked in the chat as well. And 14:20:10 as you rightly point out, 14:20:13 it's not so much carrying 14:20:15 forward the funds because of the way to the budgeting 14:20:17 and planning cycles run 14:20:19 , it will be a new allocation essentially 14:20:21 for FY 21 which 14:20:23 starts in the first of July. 14:20:26 So this is part of the 14:20:28 internal list of 14:20:31 pending discuss that need to be made 14:20:34 . Our team has already raised 14:20:37 it to exzero reand 14:20:40 the finance team in terms of what 14:20:42 allocation is made 14:20:44 to CROP for FY 14:20:47 1 or what changes or made to the 14:20:50 Avrien 14:20:52 develop he opens tore FY 14:20:54 21. There's a question we raised. 14:20:57 There's no decision as of yet. But hopefully 14:20:59 once some of the internal 14:21:02 and board discussions moved along 14:21:04 and I anticipate this will happen in the 14:21:06 next couple or few weeks, we will get a 14:21:09 lot more clarity over 14:21:11 travel for the next few months to the end 14:21:13 of this financial year. 14:21:15 And we also get some 14:21:18 clarity over whether 14:21:20 there's any additional available allocation 14:21:22 for CROP and the 14:21:25 ABRS for FY 14:21:27 21. I hope that answers yours and 14:21:29 the other's questions as 14:21:31 well 14:21:38 . [Mary 14:21:40 Wong] 14:21:44 Daniel, I don't know if there's other questions 14:21:46 or comments. It doesn't seem like 14:21:49 it. I'm happy to stay so the call even 14:21:51 if you want to move to your next agenda 14:21:53 item. >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Thank you very much 14:21:56 Mary for that. Actually, I don't 14:21:58 see any questions. Not on the call, 14:22:00 it seems they have all been answered. 14:22:02 Some that were on the chat 14:22:04 , have already been answered by you 14:22:07 . Let's wait for next session. I can 14:22:09 see a 14:22:11 hand up. >> Yes 14:22:13 they say. >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN: For the record. I guess 14:22:16 the question is 14:22:18 Mary, because of 14:22:20 the six weeks pro deadline 14:22:22 , you are saying that we should try 14:22:25 to go ahead and 14:22:27 if something is not canceled 14:22:30 yet for June and schedulite 14:22:32 just in case. Many we 14:22:34 see something 14:22:37 . But, 14:22:39 there's no guarantee that 14:22:42 it could fall a part but 14:22:44 you are saying we should go ahead. And 14:22:46 you are saying, the other question 14:22:48 I was not clear on that, were you saying 14:22:52 that potentially depending on 14:22:54 how the board or others act, 14:22:56 we may 14:22:59 get additional slots. So instead 14:23:01 of the 3, we 14:23:03 get a forth one because so many of 14:23:05 the events that was supposed 14:23:07 to happen in this corner 14:23:10 have been moved to September. 14:23:12 And maybe I wasn't -- I 14:23:14 wanted to speak clear that. So 14:23:16 thank so much 14:23:22 . >> MIKE BRENNAN: No worries Judith I'll 14:23:24 try to be as clear as possible 14:23:26 [Mary] don't take it 14:23:29 that I or anyone at ICANN 14:23:31 Org is telling you go out and spend the money now 14:23:33 and plan for a trip, because 14:23:35 the money won't always about 14:23:37 there. We are definitely not saying that 14:23:39 . What I am saying 14:23:41 as part of each 14:23:44 Ralos planning. You all had 14:23:47 a specific part as part of 14:23:48 planning its possibility that there's an 14:23:50 event or something you may be planning 14:23:53 to do between now and the end of June. 14:23:56 The current CROP guidelines rules and 14:23:59 processes continue to apply. If you 14:24:01 were going the put in a trip 14:24:03 proposal for late 14:24:06 May or applied June at this point 14:24:08 for example. You should 14:24:10 plan to r are are 14:24:12 on continuing to develop your plan for that. 14:24:14 But just know that between now and 14:24:17 that trip, or even between 14:24:19 now and the next few 14:24:21 weeks, the decisions that 14:24:23 ICANN board and can management may 14:24:26 make may effect whether or not we are able 14:24:28 to fund that proposal. So 14:24:30 I hope that's clear. So we are 14:24:32 not changing the rules on you, right 14:24:34 now. And I don't know that 14:24:37 we are actually changing the rules at all 14:24:39 . Is just that decisions may need to be 14:24:41 made in light of to the crisis that 14:24:44 will effect travel for everyone 14:24:46 . Staff community and the board through the 14:24:48 end of June and 14:24:50 may be even beyond. We are just not 14:24:52 in the position so 14:24:54 say whether that's the case or 14:24:56 not if. In regards to the next 14:24:58 financial year, September as example 14:25:00 you mentioned this is 14:25:02 something eternally 14:25:04 exoffia and the executives are aware of 14:25:07 because we raced them. I don't know 14:25:09 when the decision will be made, because they are 14:25:11 taking into account all of the 14:25:13 different contingencies 14:25:15 financial issues and so forth but they are 14:25:17 aware that this is something that they will 14:25:19 need to look at 14:25:21 given that some of these 14:25:24 outreach opportunities 14:25:26 necessarily will have to be rescheduled 14:25:28 . Whether that's a possibility for 14:25:30 FY 21 the envelope can be 14:25:32 increased to accommodate that. 14:25:34 Then I wanted to highlight also 14:25:37 something that Glen I think said in the chat. If you 14:25:39 are out of pocket by 14:25:41 anything, you want to be careful at this 14:25:43 point in time. Because a lot 14:25:45 if on these issues about 14:25:47 whether you you get a refund on the cancellation 14:25:49 , that's not something that either ICANN 14:25:51 or Org or even our travel 14:25:54 agent can control. That's really up on the airlines 14:25:56 and hotels and venues and 14:25:58 the like. I think there's another hand 14:26:01 in this chat. Is it 14:26:04 14:26:07 Yrjolansipuro 14:26:09 . >> Yes. Thank you. I mean 14:26:11 , take -- looking at 14:26:13 those predictions and curves 14:26:15 of how they at 14:26:18 least epidemic will be 14:26:20 , epidemic 14:26:22 will develop we can forget 14:26:24 about physical travel and meetings 14:26:27 . Physical meetings for this 14:26:29 financial years for the rest of this financial year. 14:26:31 So my question is, is 14:26:33 it possible to use 14:26:36 that money for at 14:26:39 a virtual equivalent 14:26:42 to say for virtual meetings 14:26:46 . So, in moment cases they are free as 14:26:48 far as 14:26:50 use are concerned but there's many 14:26:52 cases where participating in a 14:26:55 virtual 14:26:57 conference causes some costs. 14:26:59 So my question is, is it possible 14:27:02 to use this 14:27:04 money since fizz canical travel is 14:27:06 not possible. To use it for 14:27:08 the equivalent, for the virtual 14:27:10 conferences. 14:27:14 Thank you. >> Mary Wong 14:27:16 : Thank you very much for that question Euro 14:27:19 . That's a good question and I will 14:27:21 say at the moment, that 14:27:23 sort of attendance and 14:27:26 spend isn't contemplated by 14:27:28 the current CROP guidelines. But I 14:27:30 also say that obviously 14:27:32 the current CROP guidelines were 14:27:34 for a different time and it's not 14:27:37 the same at all as the situation 14:27:39 we find ourselves in now. So 14:27:41 what else I'll say is that I will 14:27:43 certainly take 14:27:46 this suggestion back to the management at 14:27:48 ICANN organize and the board 14:27:51 . So if a decisions is made 14:27:53 that effects the crop 14:27:56 program and travel within 14:27:58 the CROP program within a year they 14:28:00 consider you other alternatives that 14:28:02 can allow the community 14:28:04 to achieve itself outreach goals. 14:28:06 Maybe not in the same way 14:28:08 but go some way in addressing 14:28:11 the outreach strategies and 14:28:14 I hope that 14:28:17 helpful. >> It is 14:28:21 . >> GLENN McKNIGHT: How about a stipend for 14:28:23 us for Tylenol or 14:28:24 bottles of wine. 14:28:26 Since we are on so many calls, what do you think 14:28:29 of that idea? 14:28:31 >> Mary Wong: Glen you 14:28:33 always have the best idea ideas. I think 14:28:35 a lot of people, the need 14:28:38 for sustenance to get through this 14:28:41 time. >> GLENN McKNIGHT: Just 14:28:43 joking. [chuckling]. 14:28:50 >> Mary Wong: I'll hand 14:28:53 I back to you 14:28:56 . >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN: There's a couple of comments on the chat 14:28:58 on whether payments can we use some of 14:29:00 this discretionally or 14:29:03 other funds to pay for 14:29:05 Internet connections? 14:29:11 >> Mary wonk: Judith 14:29:13 if that's a question for me, 14:29:15 I'm afraid I can't answer that 14:29:17 . That's obviously 14:29:20 not covered within CROP this 14:29:22 question was raised in the 14:29:24 ICANN 67 and the 14:29:26 what we issued then 14:29:28 regrettably unfortunately 14:29:30 said that's not something 14:29:32 ICANN Org can 14:29:34 cover. >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN: Thank you so much. I saw it 14:29:36 in the chat that's why I mentioned 14:29:39 it 14:29:41 . >> GLENN McKNIGHT: Thank you very much Mary for that and thank you all 14:29:44 for your regarding 14:29:48 to perspective updates regarding CROP. One of 14:29:50 the last updates on the agenda 14:29:52 the regional plans 14:29:54 and I think our co-chairs are 14:29:56 willing to give updates. Let me give 14:29:59 the floor to Glen to give 14:30:01 us an update 14:30:03 on 14:30:05 the Strat eek I can plan. Glen, you have 14:30:07 the floor 14:30:18 . >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Glen are you on the call 14:30:20 ? >> HEIDI ULLRICH: Can yell 14:30:22 we are now at time. We need to first 14:30:24 ask the interpreters if we can 14:30:27 extend. But also, if I 14:30:29 just might note 14:30:31 that we are hoping that 14:30:33 the co-chairs are working closely 14:30:35 with the regional leadership on this 14:30:37 . And even beyond 14:30:40 that, given the situation and the 14:30:42 need for streamlining and 14:30:44 coordination, on the regional plans 14:30:46 . It might be really useful 14:30:49 if we can set up 14:30:51 regional calls with each 14:30:53 regional team. That includes 14:30:55 the co-chairs of outreach 14:30:57 and engagement group and the 14:30:59 regional leadership and 14:31:01 GNC and staff supporting your regions to make 14:31:04 sure that your 14:31:06 plans take into account 14:31:08 what might be situation next year 14:31:10 . And plan all of 14:31:12 your activities more efficiently. So I'm 14:31:15 not if that -- if you would like 14:31:17 to move ahead that way. Much just given 14:31:20 the time. >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: Okay, 14:31:22 thank you very much Heidi for that suggestion. By 14:31:24 that suggestion, and 14:31:26 I think we can set that present action 14:31:28 point. So the co-chairs 14:31:31 , GSE and 14:31:33 the ray low leaders can 14:31:35 have each call respectively 14:31:37 to discuss their strategy plans. Probably we can 14:31:39 do that before the next call 14:31:41 then and during the next call 14:31:43 we can be able to have 14:31:45 updates regarding to where we are 14:31:48 at the regional 14:31:51 surgy plan. Spoke that and walk that 14:31:53 effectively. Yes. With that, I'm 14:31:56 going to suggest that 14:31:58 the next call will be 14:32:00 happening 14:32:05 in the same time next 14:32:08 year. Next month. And 14:32:10 we shall be able to keep you updated 14:32:12 . I would like to thank 14:32:15 our interpreters, 14:32:17 staff members present on the call. All of 14:32:19 the respective input into 14:32:22 the call. >> HEIDI ULLRICH: Sorry 14:32:24 for interrupting. The 14:32:26 interpreters gave us 14:32:28 additional 5 to 10 minutes if you 14:32:30 wish to continue the 14:32:33 call 14:32:36 . >> DANIEL NANGHAKA: I don't think we should continue 14:32:39 to take the call. I think we have action plan 14:32:41 for the next call. I think we are 14:32:44 add you journeying the call to last week of 14:32:46 the coming month. Thank you all 14:32:53 . >> Be safe, take care. 14:32:57 >> Thanks everyone