Estimado Alejandro, el 25 de julio envié un email como Secretario de la region motivado a partir de un debate que se estaba haciendo en whatsapp y que entendía que debía hacerse por el canal institucional que era este,la lista de email de LACRALO que permite a su vez ser traducida al idioma Inglés  .
No entiendo a que se refiere el email cuando dice (Cito textual): "... es imprescindible que ese documento sea distribuido cuanto antes por el Directorio, por la vía oficial de esta lista, y que dicho Directorio active la discusión necesaria..."
Ya que el email que envié contenía:

a) El Artículo periodístico que hizo surgir el debate: https://domainincite.com/30050-smaller-more-intense-icann-meetings-with-no-free-cocktails?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2wAp3ggpz3Zrh-Gb7d3RjPB86Wq67_cCVcEZ6Ax-w4GN8YyWstqe-8tJw_aem_vlQt4V3S_DmlW3TxToARIw&sfnsn=scwspwa

b) Documento de discución: https://domainincite.com/docs/HowWeMeet-CommunityDiscussionPaper-8July2024.pdf

c) Un Documento borrador con los items que habian surgido en el grupo de whatsapp de LACRALO: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jDxMBGBdGw8Rem1fJkNN2hh5mp38jkeMwKm6BBkLc4g/edit?usp=sharing

Con esta documentación y poniendo en relieve que esta gestión cumple con los estándares suficientes de institucionalidad que nuestras costumbres y leyes nos enmarcan, pusimos todos estos documentos en un lugar de fácil acceso a todos para que se pueda participar activamente tomando todas las opiniones como válidas, incluidas las que se han vertido en esta lista, la cual en el transcurso de mañana tendremos el documento final elaborado conforme los aportes valiosos de nuestros compañeros de la comunidad regional.

Te saludo a vos y a toda la region enviándoles un afectuoso saludo

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El lun, 29 jul 2024 a las 18:15, Alejandro Pisanty via lac-discuss-es (<lac-discuss-es@icann.org>) escribió:
Colegas,

es necesario atraer la atención sobre este mensaje de Mauro Ríos e iniciar cuanto antes actividades sobre el documento "Cómo trabajamos" de ICANN. 

Como atinadamente insiste Alberto, es imprescindible que ese documento sea distribuido cuanto antes por el Directorio, por la vía oficial de esta lista, y que dicho Directorio active la discusión necesaria. La autocomplacencia en esta materia deslegitimará aun más el documento sobre la política de reuniones y viajes haciéndolo ver como una queja por el recurso a cuya posible pérdida se reacciona como una amenaza y no como una oportunidad de mejora orientada no a la comunidad sino, como debiera ser, a construir una mejor participación de la comunidad para que ICANN sirva más a aquellos a quienes está obligada a servir.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 6:39 PM Mauro D. Rios via lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es@icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,




Beyond the
document presented, the key point of "how we meet" is the very fact
of meeting. And this seems like a trivial comment, but it is actually a request
for transparency. 




Many have
made their defenses in situations where the community was not given
participation or was not informed of a relevant issue or a situation that
merited it.



Not
everything deserves a meeting, but when the mechanism of meetings is one of the
few mechanisms for transparency and communication of the organization's
performance, it becomes more relevant to be clear about how this mechanism
becomes effective and useful. 




A meeting
is not a one-way instance to inform, it is an instance of exchange,
participation, dialogue and discussion. I think that, from the speeches I have
read, and with which I mostly agree, it is an important demand to move from a
system of dissemination to a system of more open participation.




Having said
all the above, the "how we meet" is out of place since meeting is a
manifestation of "how we work", so you cannot address how to meet
without first knowing how we work. It seems like a tongue twister, but it turns
out to be a problem of organization and coherence. Let's imagine that we are
constructing a building, it would be incoherent to meet to know how the
construction is going, without knowing or having defined how it will be built.




Meetings,
mailing lists, etc., are manifestations and a communicational instrument that
is a consequence of the basis on which to communicate, if not, they are futile
and empty instruments. Because we must add that meetings are usually
environments where a few co-opt them, showing a verbiage full of expressiveness
and sometimes very little useful content. While the most fearful, the isolated,
the ignored or the timid of the community, continue to remain on the sidelines
overwhelmed by so much talk and sometimes imposition. This happens to more
serious instances when events, trips, encounters, always show the same faces.
(And I could add a subjective thought of mine, those of us who are part of
several Internet governance bodies, can affirm that even those faces are
sometimes repetitively the same in several instances of these organizations)




ICANN, like
other organizations, suffers from the low turnout syndrome, this manifests
itself event after event, meeting after meeting, zoom after zoom. We put
everything from the community and leaders to keep the flame alive, but it is a
reality that we are not achieving the best results, so I repeat that first we
must address how we work.



The
document raises generalities, but it is necessary to translate these
generalities into facts, into more pragmatic proposals. How? Who? When? are
just some of the questions that the document does not answer and must be taken
to ground level, because if we leave these questions flying, the document will
not end up curdling the ideas, even if the ideas are well-intentioned.




Behind all
this, the document does very well to raise the need to seek to economize the
efforts behind the calls, but the document does not provide clarity on how to
achieve savings in other issues (because although it mentions other savings
they are always in relation to or linked to the meetings). The economy and
savings do not necessarily always have to come from the organization of the
community meetings themselves, because it is possible that if you save on other
issues, you can allocate more money in some calls, for example, by giving
scholarships to the community, giving resources to the community to generate
local nodes of the calls, and a long etcetera.




I fully
share the idea of debating which meetings should be face-to-face, hybrid or
virtual, however, I do not see in the document contributions on the impact of
the call based on the hybrid modality, something that we will have to analyze
and especially its link to teleworking, which proved not to be the panacea we
thought.



Another
coincidence is that point 2 links the planning of meetings or meeting cycles
with the implementation of the work itself. He is right, as I have said, you
cannot debate and analyse meetings if you do not first talk about how we work.
And I disagree that at the same point other savings are mentioned again, for
example, travel, but always linked to meetings. Has it not occurred to anyone
to analyze other savings within the immense structure of ICANN and the enormous
number of activities and work that the organization does?




It is clear
that demanding the results of their work from each group in the community is
obvious, but for this to happen, we must restructure how we work in general and
keep these community groups more internalized from the general strategy of the
organization and its small strategies. 
Groups are not machinery that replicates directives, they are nests of
creation of ideas, of work, they are factories of projects, of improvement
actions, they are groups of free thought. 




I think it
is a very good initiative to encourage meetings between groups of the
community, that is, to encourage a more horizontal dialogue and not so much a
vertical one. Seek to promote meetings that feed community groups back into
each other and not be mere vertical recipients. These meetings must also
receive the support of the organization in exchange for feedback that feeds a
base of knowledge, ideas, initiatives, and projects born from the base of the
community.




I do not
agree that support for the holding of a meeting is related to the
benefit that such a meeting will bring to the organization. Simply because you
can't evaluate results before the fact itself. Whether the objective and
content of a meeting could be evaluated to determine whether it is of minor
relevance or completely aligned with the organization's overall strategy.




It is truly clear that ICANN's public meetings have grown almost amorphously, it is enough
to read the agendas to notice organized chaos. There is a point of optimization
and above all of achieving greater effectiveness of these meetings. Even a
quick reading is enough to notice that many times the issues do not convene,
and this does not mean that they are not important, they simply do not
accompany the interest of the community.




It is
mentioned that integrating ICANN public meeting planning into annual work plans
will require each community group to identify its focus and policy objectives
in advance. So we come back to the point that we are talking about how we
gather when we must first analyze how we improve the way we work.



 



Saludos,



Mauro.-




On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 9:34 AM Alberto Soto via lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es@icann.org> wrote:
 
 
 
Estimados, les adjunto el documento Como nos reunimos, en español, traducido automáticamente con el traductor de Microsoft.
Solo le di una rápida leída, y solo veo sugerencias que hacen a bajar costos, sin ninguna que haga  a la eficiencia actual y la eficiencia en caso de adoptarse las mismas.
Saludos cordiales
 
Alberto Soto
 
 
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