July 2015 - lac-discuss-es

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by asoto＠ibero-americano.org July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re:???????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = 27irregul utf-8 q aridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff = De: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org Estimados, las Discusiones groseras, agrias e insultantes terminaron Hace Tiempo en LACRALO. Eso FUE CUANDO Porque alguien la iniciaba, no se contestaba o se contestaba educadamente. Alejandro, gracias Hacerlo por ASI. José Ovidio, el tema de Participación No Está Siendo Tratado Aqui, AUN TENEMOS Porque No métricas. Solucionar esperemos pronto ESTO. Jackeline, El Proceso eleccionario aun no Terminó. Ahora quiero recordarles Que El Año Pasado fuímos Humberto y yo, UNICOS postulantes. Debimos Hacer Votación y Aceptar El resultado m. Hubo Quienes votaron no, otros se abstuvieron y Otros votaron por el si. El otro Caso particular, FUE el de Natalia Enciso, postulante sueltas párrafo ALAC miembros. Y FUE El caso Que tomamos Como antecedente. El caso Que Citan de Sylvia Herlen Leite, no es correcto, no TENEMOS Que Realizar Elección párrafo ESE carga. HICIMOS Una Reunión previa con el personal y LUEGO de Tomada la decisión de Lance FUE avisado Que se Haría la Votación, Tomando Como antecedente El caso de Natalia. El Proceso esta en Curso y finalizará con la Votación. Saludos cordiales Alberto Soto De: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alejandro Pisanty Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 18:53 Para: LACRALO CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; Albert Daniels Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] ¿Es Este Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff Carlton, voy a Aceptar por Ultima Vez tu USO de lenguaje ofensivo.Tu siguiente Mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo Será materia de Trabajo del Defensor del Pueblo. Tu vocabulario se Traduce una Palabras inaceptables en español. El conflicto de Interés de la lanza sin Viene de Do empresarial activity Propia. El conflicto reside en su Representación de Negocios a Través de la Cámara. ALGUNOS de Estós Negocios Tienen ONU conflcto estructural con los Usuarios Porque Usuarios hijo los Clientes de Sus Servicios. Jacqueline, la Expresión de Interés FUE MODIFICADA y ampliada Despues De Empezar la Elección. Alejandro Pisanty El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:46 de la tarde, <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > Escribió: [[--Translated Texto (en -> es) -]] Asunto: Re: ¿'irregularidad' Es Este Tiresome Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar la ONU Poco Más con la retórica. Y sin please, acepto Que Estoy utilizando el SENTIDO clásico [Inglés] de la palabra. Lo que sé es Alega Puramente desafortunado mierda. Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN un Través de la ONU memorando de Entendimiento con la con la ICANN y caucus At-Large y LACRALO Como Representante de DevNet; el es el Presidente Y Su LACRALO Representante párr. Devnet Es Una Organización no gubernamental Que Provee Desarrollo de las TIC Servicios a los que estan en El lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet Representa thusly Los intereses de los Usuarios Finales. De Piense en Devnet Como la versión de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc. El hombre es el presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown en Virtud de su Propiedad De Una Pequeña Empresa; Tecnologías BrainStreet.EL deriva Do income, su salario digno, Principalmente de ESE negocio.Él sin CONSIGUE Pagado Como Presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown. Aqui esta el Problema. No Es Para inusual Los Que Estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su Llamado de respuesta al déficit de Capacidad. Decir eso Lanza no Puede Ser Un hombre de Negocios y también representan Los intereses del usuario CUANDO definitiva el es presidente De Una ONG - El que un Través de La que ha Conectado a la ICANN sistema - Sólo se PARECE delirante párrafo ALGUNOS de Nosotros. Al Menos párrafo Aquellos de Nosotros en el Caribe hijo Que Una Voluntarios párrafo cosa u Otro. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y Plazos de entrega * ============================= El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan(a)unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx> > Escribio: > Carlton, > > > The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election > was in course. > > Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > +525541444475 DESDE MÃâ°XICO SMS +525541444475 > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ------------------------------ > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ] en nombre de Carlton > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> ] > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > *CC:* Albert Daniels > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > At-Large Staff > > I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is > debilitating. > > I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must > by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just > too much and I must break my silence. > > In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > > Definitions of bullshit > noun > stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > verb > talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > > Ã¢â¬â¹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large > staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > repeat it here for effect. > > In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. Ã¢â¬â¹ > > But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election > process into question. > > So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come > along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the > first place! > > As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated > unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > important ICANN councils. > > I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then. > > With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance > Hinds. > > It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place. > > Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' > raised! > > So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep > at the switch. > > Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > operating conditions are applied. > > Go figure. > > -Carlton Samuels > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/de403f8e91.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] ??????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = UTF-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Personal aridad =
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ??????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = UTF-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Personal aridad = De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Estimados amigos. Casi siempre se coincidido con Carlton, this no es uña de los AEE Oportunidades. DEBEMOS de Creo y No Solo En Este Caso Empezar un defensor la Condición y el espacio de Usuarios Finales Individuales. NO negocios. NO Gobierno. Por Ello se Retirado mi apoyo a la candidatura de mi amigo Lance, ya Que comparto la de la estafa majority la Existencia de conflicto de Intereses. COMO TAMBIÉN EXISTEN EN OTROS DENTRO DE LACRALO. : Además la posicion del personal En Su actuacion En Este Caso y La De Los Oficiales X sin oponerse de Hecho ab initio, me parece, al Menos desalentadora, del tanto Como la defensa de la ONU Candidato Que No Puede del Ser. <div> -------- -------- Mensaje original, </div><div> De: José Ovidio Salgueiro <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com></div><div> Fecha: 23/07/2015 19:32 (GMT-03: 00) </div><div> Para: Lista de LACRALO <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org></div><div> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] ??????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = UTF-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Personal aridad = </div><div> </div> Muy bien dicho Sergio. Y el pecado Sigue Interesado aparecer. Defensores del SUS Llegan solitario 07.23.2015 17:59 GMT-04: 30 <bronstein.sergio(a)gmail.com> : > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Re:??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul > A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity = > From: bronstein.sergio(a)gmail.com > > Sometimes you have to read nonsense ... > Please let us raise the level of debate. > thanks in advance, > Sergio Bronstein > The 23/07/2015 17.55, <devtee(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > > > Asunto: Re: Â¿Es Ã©ste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff > > De: devtee(a)gmail.com > > > > Para seguir en la hipocresÃa ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy > ) > > comentarios re: conflicto de intereses. > > > > > > Esto es lo que estÃ¡ en el perfil de Sergio Salinas Porto: > > https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto > > > > > > "El seÃ±or Salinas Porto estÃ¡ involucrado en una serie de otras > > organizaciones internacionales y > > organizaciones y proyectos regionales; Ã©l es un miembro del Foro para > > DemocrÃ¡tica y Popular de ComunicaciÃ³n, SecretarÃa de Mar de Plata > > ComunicaciÃ³n para la Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, y el Jefe de > > Nuevo > > TecnologÃas y Negocios de la Asamblea de PequeÃ±os y Medianos > > Mar divisiÃ³n de Empresarios de Plata ". > > > > > > Entonces, Â¿cÃ³mo es que Sergio no tiene un conflicto de interÃ©s por ser > > LACRALO como un "usuario de negocio", ya que estÃ¡ involucrado > > con la Asamblea de > > PequeÃ±os y medianos empresarios? > > > > > > Saludos, > > > > > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:44 de la tarde, Carlton Samuels < > > carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> > > escribiÃ³: > > > > > > > My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. > > And > > > do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word. > > > > > > What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit. > > > > > > Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus > with > > > the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the > Chairman > > > and its representative to LACRALO. > > > > > > Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development > > > services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. > DevNet > > > thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's > > version > > > Internauta Usarios etc. etc. > > > > > > The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of > > > his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He > derives > > > his income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES > NOT > > > get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce. > > > > > > Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to > > > have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say > that > > > Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests > when > > > he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the > ICANN > > > system - just looks delusional for some of us. > > > > > > At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one > > thing > > > or other. > > > > > > -Carlton > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Carlton A Samuels > > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > > ============================= > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < > > > apisan(a)unam.mx> wrote: > > > > > >> Carlton, > > >> > > >> > > >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable > > >> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once > > the > > >> election was in course. > > >> > > >> Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > >> > > >> Alejandro Pisanty > > >> > > >> > > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > > >> Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM > > >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > >> > > >> +525541444475 DESDE MÃâ°XICO SMS +525541444475 > > >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > > >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > > >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > > >> lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton > > >> Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] > > >> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > > >> *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >> > > >> *CC:* Albert Daniels > > >> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > > >> At-Large Staff > > >> > > >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO > > >> is debilitating. > > >> > > >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so > > >> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do > > what > > >> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > >> > > >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is > just > > >> too much and I must break my silence. > > >> > > >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by > bullshit: > > >> > > >> Definitions of bullshit > > >> noun > > >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > > >> verb > > >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > >> > > >> > > >> Ã¢â¬â¹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by > > At-Large > > >> staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > >> > > >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > > >> repeat it here for effect. > > >> > > >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established > and > > >> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying > all > > >> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly > > [s]elected. Ã¢â¬â¹ > > >> > > >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > > >> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > >> > > >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > > >> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire > [s]election > > >> process into question. > > >> > > >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to > come > > >> along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it > is > > a > > >> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in > the > > >> first place! > > >> > > >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same > for > > >> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > >> > > >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome > > >> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real > > risk > > >> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > >> > > >> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > > >> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > >> > > >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > > >> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was > nominated > > >> unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only > > for > > >> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a > > single > > >> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > > >> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > > >> important ICANN councils. > > >> > > >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to > > >> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline > Morris > > >> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing > > to do > > >> then. > > >> > > >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. > And > > >> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for > > Lance > > >> Hinds. > > >> > > >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > > >> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first > > place. > > >> > > >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our > now > > >> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of > > 'impropriety' > > >> raised! > > >> > > >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume > > >> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even > > >> asleep at the switch. > > >> > > >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > > >> operating conditions are applied. > > >> > > >> Go figure. > > >> > > >> -Carlton Samuels > > >> > > >> ============================== > > >> Carlton A Samuels > > >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > >> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > >> ============================= > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/0abf590af7.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] ??????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = UTF-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Personal aridad =
by salgueiro.jo＠gmail.com July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ??????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = UTF-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Personal aridad = De: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com Muy bien dicho Sergio. Y el pecado Sigue Interesado aparecer. Defensores del SUS Llegan solitario 07.23.2015 17:59 GMT-04: 30 <bronstein.sergio(a)gmail.com> : > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Re:??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul > A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity = > From: bronstein.sergio(a)gmail.com > > Sometimes you have to read nonsense ... > Please let us raise the level of debate. > thanks in advance, > Sergio Bronstein > The 23/07/2015 17.55, <devtee(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > > > Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff > > De: devtee(a)gmail.com > > > > Para seguir en la hipocresía ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy > ) > > comentarios re: conflicto de intereses. > > > > > > Esto es lo que está en el perfil de Sergio Salinas Porto: > > https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto > > > > > > "El señor Salinas Porto está involucrado en una serie de otras > > organizaciones internacionales y > > organizaciones y proyectos regionales; él es un miembro del Foro para > > Democrática y Popular de Comunicación, Secretaría de Mar de Plata > > Comunicación para la Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, y el Jefe de > > Nuevo > > Tecnologías y Negocios de la Asamblea de Pequeños y Medianos > > Mar división de Empresarios de Plata ". > > > > > > Entonces, ¿cómo es que Sergio no tiene un conflicto de interés por ser > > LACRALO como un "usuario de negocio", ya que está involucrado > > con la Asamblea de > > Pequeños y medianos empresarios? > > > > > > Saludos, > > > > > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:44 de la tarde, Carlton Samuels < > > carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> > > escribió: > > > > > > > My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. > > And > > > do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word. > > > > > > What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit. > > > > > > Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus > with > > > the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the > Chairman > > > and its representative to LACRALO. > > > > > > Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development > > > services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. > DevNet > > > thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's > > version > > > Internauta Usarios etc. etc. > > > > > > The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of > > > his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He > derives > > > his income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES > NOT > > > get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce. > > > > > > Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to > > > have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say > that > > > Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests > when > > > he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the > ICANN > > > system - just looks delusional for some of us. > > > > > > At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one > > thing > > > or other. > > > > > > -Carlton > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Carlton A Samuels > > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > > ============================= > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < > > > apisan(a)unam.mx> wrote: > > > > > >> Carlton, > > >> > > >> > > >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable > > >> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once > > the > > >> election was in course. > > >> > > >> Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > >> > > >> Alejandro Pisanty > > >> > > >> > > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > > >> Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM > > >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > >> > > >> +525541444475 DESDE MÃ‰XICO SMS +525541444475 > > >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > > >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > > >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > > >> lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton > > >> Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] > > >> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > > >> *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >> > > >> *CC:* Albert Daniels > > >> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > > >> At-Large Staff > > >> > > >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO > > >> is debilitating. > > >> > > >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so > > >> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do > > what > > >> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > >> > > >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is > just > > >> too much and I must break my silence. > > >> > > >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by > bullshit: > > >> > > >> Definitions of bullshit > > >> noun > > >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > > >> verb > > >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > >> > > >> > > >> â€‹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by > > At-Large > > >> staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > >> > > >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > > >> repeat it here for effect. > > >> > > >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established > and > > >> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying > all > > >> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly > > [s]elected. â€‹ > > >> > > >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > > >> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > >> > > >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > > >> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire > [s]election > > >> process into question. > > >> > > >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to > come > > >> along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it > is > > a > > >> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in > the > > >> first place! > > >> > > >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same > for > > >> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > >> > > >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome > > >> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real > > risk > > >> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > >> > > >> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > > >> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > >> > > >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > > >> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was > nominated > > >> unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only > > for > > >> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a > > single > > >> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > > >> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > > >> important ICANN councils. > > >> > > >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to > > >> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline > Morris > > >> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing > > to do > > >> then. > > >> > > >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. > And > > >> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for > > Lance > > >> Hinds. > > >> > > >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > > >> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first > > place. > > >> > > >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our > now > > >> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of > > 'impropriety' > > >> raised! > > >> > > >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume > > >> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even > > >> asleep at the switch. > > >> > > >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > > >> operating conditions are applied. > > >> > > >> Go figure. > > >> > > >> -Carlton Samuels > > >> > > >> ============================== > > >> Carlton A Samuels > > >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > >> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > >> ============================= > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/07b37a6a50.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] ??????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = UTF-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Personal aridad =
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ??????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = UTF-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Personal aridad = De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Alejandro: Mensaje recibido por fin! La comunicación es algo cojonudo, ¿no es así? Feliz recibió el mensaje. Supongo que usted está siendo piadosa acerca de mi uso de la palabra "mierda", ¿no? Si es así, no pierdas el tiempo del hombre. Su significado la intención de que los asuntos. Es por eso que deliberadamente 'cortar y pegar' el significado del diccionario directamente desde la fuente de mi mensaje original. Aquí está otra vez: * Definiciones de mierda * * Sustantivo * * Estúpido o hablar o escribir falsa; tonterías. * * Verbo * * Charla sin sentido a (alguien), normalmente para ser equívoca o engañosa. * Dos pasos por delante de ustedes. Usted debe saber por ahora el idioma Inglés es mi amigo. Por desgracia, no puedo hablar por españoles. Liquidación: Así que ya sabes donde estoy, por favor consulte el mensaje privado que enviado a usted en otra tal alegación hace un par de años. Saludos cordiales, -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:53 de la tarde, <apisanty(a)gmail.com> escribió: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Re:??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul > A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity = > From: apisanty(a)gmail.com > > Carlton, > > > I'll accept your last use of offensive language. Your next > message with offensive language will be the subject of work of the > Ombudsman. Your > It leads to unacceptable vocabulary words in Spanish. > > > The conflict of interest is not Lance your business > own. The conflict lies in its business representation through > Camera. Some of these businesses are structural conflcto with > users because users are customers of their services. > > > Jacqueline, the expression of interest was modified and expanded after > start the election. > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > On Thu, July 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > > > Asunto: Re: Â¿Es Ã©ste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff > > De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > > > > Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco mÃ¡s con la retÃ³rica. Y > > no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clÃ¡sico [InglÃ©s] de > > la palabra. > > > > > > Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda. > > > > > > Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a travÃ©s de un memorando de > > entendimiento con la ICANN y caucus con > > At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; Ã©l es el Presidente > > y su representante para LACRALO. > > > > > > Devnet es una organizaciÃ³n no gubernamental que provee desarrollo de las > > TIC > > servicios a los que estÃ¡n en el lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet > > thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense en > Devnet > > como la versiÃ³n de Guyana > > Internauta usarios etc etc. > > > > > > El hombre es el presidente de la CÃ¡mara de Comercio de Georgetown en > > virtud de su > > propiedad de una pequeÃ±a empresa; TecnologÃas BrainStreet. Ãl deriva su > > ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Ãl no consigue > > pagado como Presidente de la CÃ¡mara de Comercio de Georgetown. > > > > > > AquÃ estÃ¡ el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el Caribe > > tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al dÃ©ficit de capacidad. decir > > eso > > Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y tambiÃ©n representan los > > intereses del usuario final cuando > > Ã©l es presidente de una ONG - el que a travÃ©s de la que ha conectado a > la > > ICANN > > sistema - sÃ³lo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros. > > > > > > Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son voluntarios para > > una cosa > > u otro. > > > > > > -Carlton > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Carlton Un Samuels > > MÃ³vil: 876-818-1799 > > * Estrategia, PlaneaciÃ³n, Gobierno, EvaluaciÃ³n y plazos de entrega * > > ============================= > > > > > > El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro > Pisanty > > Baruch < > > apisan(a)unam.mx> escribiÃ³: > > > > > > > Carlton, > > > > > > > > > The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable > conflict > > > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the > election > > > was in course. > > > > > > Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > > > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > > > Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM > > > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > > > > > > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > > > > > +525541444475 DESDE MÃâ°XICO SMS +525541444475 > > > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > ------------------------------ > > > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > > > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton > > > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] > > > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > > > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > *CC:* Albert Daniels > > > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > > > At-Large Staff > > > > > > I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO > is > > > debilitating. > > > > > > I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so > cannot > > > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I > > must > > > by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > > > > > But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is > just > > > too much and I must break my silence. > > > > > > In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > > > > > > Definitions of bullshit > > > noun > > > stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > > > verb > > > talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > > > > > > > > Ã¢â¬â¹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by > At-Large > > > staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > > > > > Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > > > repeat it here for effect. > > > > > > In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and > > > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all > > > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly > > [s]elected. Ã¢â¬â¹ > > > > > > But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > > > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > > > > > We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > > > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire > [s]election > > > process into question. > > > > > > So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to > come > > > along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it > is a > > > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in > the > > > first place! > > > > > > As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for > > > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > > > > > Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome > after > > > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk > of > > > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > > > > > Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > > > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > > > > > In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > > > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was > nominated > > > unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only > for > > > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a > single > > > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > > > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > > > important ICANN councils. > > > > > > I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to > muddy > > > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris > being > > > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do > > then. > > > > > > With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. > And > > > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for > > Lance > > > Hinds. > > > > > > It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > > > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first > > place. > > > > > > Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our > now > > > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of > > 'impropriety' > > > raised! > > > > > > So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume > the > > > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even > asleep > > > at the switch. > > > > > > Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > > > operating conditions are applied. > > > > > > Go figure. > > > > > > -Carlton Samuels > > > > > > ============================== > > > Carlton A Samuels > > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > > ============================= > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/386d8aa1ea.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] ???????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = 27irregul utf-8 q aridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff =
by apisanty＠gmail.com July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re:???????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = 27irregul utf-8 q aridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff = De: apisanty(a)gmail.com Carlton, voy a Aceptar por Ultima Vez tu USO de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente Mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo Será materia de Trabajo del Defensor del Pueblo. Tu vocabulario se Traduce una Palabras inaceptables en español. El conflicto de Interés de la lanza sin Viene de su activity empresarial Propia. El conflicto reside en su Representación de Negocios a Través de la Cámara. ALGUNOS de Estós Negocios Tienen ONU conflcto estructural con los Usuarios Porque Usuarios hijo los Clientes de Sus Servicios. Jacqueline, la Expresión de Interés FUE MODIFICADA y ampliada Despues De Empezar la Elección. Alejandro Pisanty El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:46 de la tarde, <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> escribió: > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > Asunto: Re: Â¿Es Ã©ste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff > De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > > Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco mÃ¡s con la retÃ³rica. Y > no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clÃ¡sico [InglÃ©s] de > la palabra. > > > Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda. > > > Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a travÃ©s de un memorando de > entendimiento con la ICANN y caucus con > At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; Ã©l es el Presidente > y su representante para LACRALO. > > > Devnet es una organizaciÃ³n no gubernamental que provee desarrollo de las > TIC > servicios a los que estÃ¡n en el lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet > thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense en Devnet > como la versiÃ³n de Guyana > Internauta usarios etc etc. > > > El hombre es el presidente de la CÃ¡mara de Comercio de Georgetown en > virtud de su > propiedad de una pequeÃ±a empresa; TecnologÃas BrainStreet. Ãl deriva su > ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Ãl no consigue > pagado como Presidente de la CÃ¡mara de Comercio de Georgetown. > > > AquÃ estÃ¡ el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el Caribe > tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al dÃ©ficit de capacidad. decir > eso > Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y tambiÃ©n representan los > intereses del usuario final cuando > Ã©l es presidente de una ONG - el que a travÃ©s de la que ha conectado a la > ICANN > sistema - sÃ³lo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros. > > > Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son voluntarios para > una cosa > u otro. > > > -Carlton > > > > > ============================== > Carlton Un Samuels > MÃ³vil: 876-818-1799 > * Estrategia, PlaneaciÃ³n, Gobierno, EvaluaciÃ³n y plazos de entrega * > ============================= > > > El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Baruch < > apisan(a)unam.mx> escribiÃ³: > > > > Carlton, > > > > > > The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict > > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election > > was in course. > > > > Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > > Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM > > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > > > +525541444475 DESDE MÃâ°XICO SMS +525541444475 > > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > ------------------------------ > > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton > > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] > > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > *CC:* Albert Daniels > > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > > At-Large Staff > > > > I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is > > debilitating. > > > > I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot > > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I > must > > by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > > > But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just > > too much and I must break my silence. > > > > In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > > > > Definitions of bullshit > > noun > > stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > > verb > > talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > > > > > Ã¢â¬â¹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large > > staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > > > Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > > repeat it here for effect. > > > > In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and > > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all > > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly > [s]elected. Ã¢â¬â¹ > > > > But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > > > We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election > > process into question. > > > > So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come > > along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a > > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the > > first place! > > > > As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for > > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > > > Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after > > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of > > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > > > Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > > > In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated > > unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for > > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single > > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > > important ICANN councils. > > > > I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy > > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being > > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do > then. > > > > With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And > > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for > Lance > > Hinds. > > > > It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first > place. > > > > Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now > > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of > 'impropriety' > > raised! > > > > So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the > > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep > > at the switch. > > > > Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > > operating conditions are applied. > > > > Go figure. > > > > -Carlton Samuels > > > > ============================== > > Carlton A Samuels > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > ============================= > > > >> > >> > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ad267513c5.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] ???????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = 27irregul utf-8 q aridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff =
by salgueiro.jo＠gmail.com July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re:???????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = 27irregul utf-8 q aridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff = De: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com Lo Que veo es una de los muchas personalidades Defendiendo al candidatura de Lanza Hinds Pero el no Aparece párrafo defenderse igual Que Nunca Apareció En Una Reunión ni teleconferencia de ALAC en 10 años. JOS 07.23.2015 17:17 GMT-04: 30 <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> : > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > Asunto: Re: Â¿Es Ã©ste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff > De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > > Alex, fue el SoI no presentÃ³ durante la fase de nominaciÃ³n? Si habÃa una > conflicto entonces, por quÃ© no se planteÃ³ entonces? Â¿Por quÃ© sÃ³lo ahora, > mucho despuÃ©s de la > proceso electoral ha terminado, el nombramiento ratificado por el ALAC y > anunciado pÃºblicamente, de acuerdo con las lÃneas de tiempo del ALAC? > Entiendo que > algunos podrÃan ser molesto porque no pagaban cerrar suficiente atenciÃ³n, > pero yo sÃ > no veo ninguna justificaciÃ³n para todo el proceso que se deshace. > No habÃa problema con el proceso electoral de todo el correo electrÃ³nico > que tengo > leer. Era justo y correcto y saliÃ³ de acuerdo a todas las normas y > reglamentos. Para tratar de subvertir ahora porque no te gusta el > resultado es muy mala gobernanza y una traiciÃ³n a los principios > democrÃ¡ticos. > Si hay un problema, a continuaciÃ³n, pruebe a utilizar un proceso de > recuperaciÃ³n si es que existe, pero > por favor no atornillar con la integridad del proceso electoral. > Estoy particularmente apasionado sobre esto, ya que actualmente estoy > trabajando para nuestra > Nacional de Elecciones, y hay el mismo tipo de actividades que se > realizan - > estamos en un grupo de vigilancia para mantener el proceso democrÃ¡tico > transparente y justo. YO > no puede sentarse y observar cÃ³mo se sobornÃ³ en LACRALO. > Jacqueline > > > Jacqueline A. Morris > La tecnologÃa debe ser como el oxÃgeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y > Gratis. (DespuÃ©s de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) > > > El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Baruch < > apisan(a)unam.mx> escribiÃ³: > > > > Carlton, > > > > > > The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict > > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election > > was in course. > > > > Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > > Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM > > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > > > +525541444475 DESDE MÃâ°XICO SMS +525541444475 > > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > ------------------------------ > > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton > > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] > > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > *CC:* Albert Daniels > > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > > At-Large Staff > > > > I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is > > debilitating. > > > > I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot > > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I > must > > by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > > > But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just > > too much and I must break my silence. > > > > In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > > > > Definitions of bullshit > > noun > > stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > > verb > > talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > > > > > Ã¢â¬â¹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large > > staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > > > Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > > repeat it here for effect. > > > > In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and > > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all > > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly > [s]elected. Ã¢â¬â¹ > > > > But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > > > We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election > > process into question. > > > > So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come > > along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a > > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the > > first place! > > > > As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for > > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > > > Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after > > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of > > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > > > Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > > > In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated > > unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for > > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single > > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > > important ICANN councils. > > > > I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy > > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being > > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do > then. > > > > With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And > > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for > Lance > > Hinds. > > > > It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first > place. > > > > Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now > > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of > 'impropriety' > > raised! > > > > So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the > > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep > > at the switch. > > > > Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > > operating conditions are applied. > > > > Go figure. > > > > -Carlton Samuels > > > > ============================== > > Carlton A Samuels > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > ============================= > > > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/0111a80cd5.html --]]

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Re: �Es �ste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Alex, fue el SoI no presentó durante la fase de nominación? Si había una conflicto entonces, por qué no se planteó entonces? ¿Por qué sólo ahora, mucho después de la proceso electoral ha terminado, el nombramiento ratificado por el ALAC y anunciado públicamente, de acuerdo con las líneas de tiempo del ALAC? Entiendo que algunos podrían ser molesto porque no pagaban cerrar suficiente atención, pero yo sí no veo ninguna justificación para todo el proceso que se deshace. No había problema con el proceso electoral de todo el correo electrónico que tengo leer. Era justo y correcto y salió de acuerdo a todas las normas y reglamentos. Para tratar de subvertir ahora porque no te gusta el resultado es muy mala gobernanza y una traición a los principios democráticos. Si hay un problema, a continuación, pruebe a utilizar un proceso de recuperación si es que existe, pero por favor no atornillar con la integridad del proceso electoral. Estoy particularmente apasionado sobre esto, ya que actualmente estoy trabajando para nuestra Nacional de Elecciones, y hay el mismo tipo de actividades que se realizan - estamos en un grupo de vigilancia para mantener el proceso democrático transparente y justo. YO no puede sentarse y observar cómo se sobornó en LACRALO. Jacqueline Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan(a)unam.mx> escribió: > Carlton, > > > The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election > was in course. > > Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > +525541444475 DESDE MÃXICO SMS +525541444475 > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ------------------------------ > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > *CC:* Albert Daniels > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > At-Large Staff > > I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is > debilitating. > > I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must > by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just > too much and I must break my silence. > > In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > > Definitions of bullshit > noun > stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > verb > talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > > âIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large > staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > repeat it here for effect. > > In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. â > > But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election > process into question. > > So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come > along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the > first place! > > As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated > unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > important ICANN councils. > > I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then. > > With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance > Hinds. > > It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place. > > Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' > raised! > > So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep > at the switch. > > Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > operating conditions are applied. > > Go figure. > > -Carlton Samuels > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/2bebdf069d.html --]]

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Este Tiresome Reclamaci�n 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Este Tiresome Reclamación 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Estoy tratando de vivir una vida larga y útil. Compromiso con LACRALO es debilitante. No estoy comulgante - lo dejé desde que tenía 14 años - por lo que no puede dependerá de una "buena" a Dios por mi salvación. Así que para el objetivo, que hago lo que debo evitando vejaciones a mi espíritu. Pero la mierda - Espero que la palabra se traduce bien en español - es demasiado mucho y debo romper mi silencio. En caso de que la traducción se destrozado, esto es lo que quiero decir con bullshit: Definiciones de mierda sustantivo hablar o escribir estúpido o falsa; tonterías. verbo hablar tonterías a (alguien), normalmente para ser equívoca o engañosa. Es engañosa, incluso deshonesto, para alegar la mala conducta por parte del personal de At-Large en este caso, y te diré por qué. Jacqueline ya ha sucintamente descrito el caso clásico, pero voy a repetir aquí para el efecto. En algunas partes del mundo donde se establecen las reglas para [s] las elecciones y donde este ejercicio de la democracia es la rutina, un candidato satisfactorio todo otros criterios y nominado para un puesto sin oposición es debidamente [s] elegidos. Pero esto es LACRALO donde nuestra comprensión colectiva del proceso es, así, quiero ser generoso y digo desigual, en el mejor. Simplemente no entendemos que no se puede negar o subvertir el porción nominación del proceso sin llamar a la totalidad de [s] elecciones proceso en cuestión. Así, caminamos milla extra para dar a los que no entienden el tiempo por venir a lo largo de, lentamente. Esa es la base de la encuesta de consenso - note que es un encuesta - y por qué nos molestamos en el Caribe para ir junto con la de la ¡primer lugar! Como el personal se lo habría dicho de At-Large todos ustedes, este no es el mismo para otra RALO. Han madurado tanto en el pensamiento y la acción. ¿Por qué esto me molesta, te preguntarás?Debido a que se hace viejo y cansado después tratando por tanto tiempo. Y ya que veja mi espíritu, corro el riesgo real de la reducción de la vida y su calidad cuanto más Caucus aquí. Ahora, a los hipócritas. Te pido perdón por no ser un buen Cristiana. Yo simplemente detesto la hipocresía. En la selección de un candidato Comité de nominaciones este año, nuestro estimado colega de Brasil y titular, Sylvia Leite Herlein, fue nominado sin oposición. Me entusiasmo apoyado su candidatura, no sólo sólo por el hecho de que ella había realizado en el post. Pero realmente creo que un solo término de 1 año no da la región en beneficio de su servicio y experiencia, ni permitirán a la región para construir la influencia que tenemos en los consejos de la ICANN muy importantes. Yo personalmente desanimado - sí, desalentados - otras nominaciones a fangosa el camino a su nueva selección. Fuimos junto con ser Jacqueline Morris de-seleccionado después de un solo año. Tal vez eso era lo que no debía hacer a continuación. Con oposición [s] la elección de Sylvia, ningún sondeo consenso tuvo lugar. y el At-Large personal notificó el mundo de la misma manera como lo hicieron para Lance Hinds. No era que en el Caribe no se dio cuenta. Más bien, es porque nunca nos hemos sentido dicha encuesta era necesario, en primer lugar. Comparemos entonces hasta ahora. No había ni un gemido de queja de nuestra empresa antiguos amigos de la decencia LACRALO, ni una sola alegación de 'indecencia' levantado! Así que ahora, me pregunto, ¿cuál es la diferencia aquí? Podemos o bien asumir la guardianes de la corrección LACRALO estaban apagadas afanosamente chuparse el dedo, incluso dormida en el interruptor. O, en este caso para Lance Hinds nominación y selección, otro operativo Se aplican condiciones. Imagínate. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/bf231c4760.html --]]

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Anuncio - Confirmación de miembro de LACRALO ante ALAC
by Humberto Carrasco July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

Estimados todos: Quisiéramos informarle que se realizara una encuesta para confirmar a Lance Hinds como único candidato, como representante de LACRALO ante el ALAC para el periodo del AGM2015 hasta el AGM2017. Esta encuesta se llevara a cabo para confirmar a Lance, quien tuvo apoyo de una gran cantidad de representantes de las ALSs de LACRALO. Al llevar a cabo esta encuesta, estamos siguiendo precedente de LACRALO. En el 2011 hubo un caso similar en el cual hubo solo un candidato de LACRALO ante el ALAC, siendo entonces Natalia Enciso la única candidata. En este caso, una encuesta de confirmación se llevó a cabo. Ver https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Election+of+LACRALO+Representat… <%20https:/community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Election+of+LACRALO+Representative+to+ALAC+for+2011-2013> El periodo de la encuesta de confirmación empezara el 21 de Julio a las 00:30 UTC y terminara el 27 de Julio a las 23:00 UTC. Muchas gracias Alberto Soto - Presidente Humberto Carrasco - Secretario

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = B3n BFtriunfo_por_aclamaci = = = 3F
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = B3n BFtriunfo_por_aclamaci = = = 3F De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Ummm ... El proceso fue establecido por ALAC, no había una sola candidatura después del plazo establecido. Ergo, en Inglés, los términos son perfectamente exacta. Tal vez ustedes comió tener un problema de traducción? cuál es el Término español para elegido sin oposición por otro candidato? El 21 de julio 2015 17:50, <apisanty(a)gmail.com> escribió: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject:? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = B3n BFtriunfo_por_aclamaci = = 3F = > From: apisanty(a)gmail.com > > Hello Alberto and Humberto, especially, but also Silvia Vivanco and Heidi > Ulrich, > > > Can someone explain why > https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/51413146 > news that Lance Hinds won election to the ALAC ** BY reprsentante > CHEER **? > > > The evidence of irregularities supported by ICANN staff builds > precipitously. > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > - > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > UNAM Faculty of Chemistry > Av.University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > SMS FROM MEXICO +525541444475 +525541444475 > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > UNAM Join the LinkedIn group, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/20c94cfa35.html --]]

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