September 2012 - lac-discuss-es

Re: [lac-discuss-es] Son de direcciones IPv4!
by salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro＠gmail.com Sept. 16, 2012

Sept. 16, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Son de direcciones IPv4! De: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com Muy Interesante Holly. Geoff también escribió un interesante artículo sobre NAT y sobre la forma en que son soluciones temporales, consulte: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_7-3/anatomy.… El Domingo, 16 de septiembre 2012 a las 1:16 PM, acebo Raiche <h.raiche(a)internode.on.net> escribió: > Hi Carlton > > There is a twist to the IPv4/v6 discussion - and it's about money > (surprise!) Geoff Huston (our own internet pioneer/guru) asks why the > carriers aren't migrating to v6 - and instead dealing with the address > shortage (at least in the APNIC region) through NATing. As he explains, > with NATing, the carriers gain information about what IP addresses are > going where - information they can flog to advertisers. It's part of the > money shift from the carriers in an analogue, circuit switched world where > the carriers got the money, to an IP world where they are missing out and > the revenue is going to the content providers. (the WCIT issue about > accounting rates no longer providing the carriers with the money they used > to collect is relevant here). So the carriers are making do with NATing > instead of migrating to the v6 world where, once again, one IP address > connects directly to another address and no NATting (and no collecting > information about users) in between between (except in the usual > circumstances of corporates, etc) > > Holly > > > On 16/09/2012, at 6:11 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: > > > Hi Sala: > > You misinterpret my skepticism as denial. Wrong. > > > > I'm there with you on all the facts you quote. Yes too, on all the > trends > > you finger. My skepticism is born of the big 'the sky is falling' > hoopla. > > And an analysis that is predicated on immediate and/or imminent scarcity. > > [Scarcity as in demand driven!] > > > > For the last several years, I've studiously followed the ARIN policy > > discussions. Its only after you see the details and couple that to a few > > other facts that it jumps out at ya; the details just don't support the > > great alarm hurry-up-and-do-this. Look critically at some of the data in > > context of where access and demand are growing; Africa and Asia. Then > > have another think. > > > > No, we will not have a collapse anytime soon. No, I doubt if IPv4 > > addresses will ever be totally exhausted. At least not if some of the > > policy positions I see being promoted in the ARIN region are implemented! > > > > Yes, if and when that time comes, if someone belly up to your favourite > RIR > > and asks for a **bank* *of addresses, here's the likely response, "well, > > we ain't got that kind. But here's another kind works just as well if not > > better! Machine you have might even be prepped for it, see. But you > might > > have to do a few little things to let her fly". That conversation will > not > > take place with a mom and pop operation, trust me. End user networks are > > not provisioned as the popular myth says. > > > > Troll the lists and you will see this is one topic I've studiously stayed > > away from. Not because I don't understand the issues; I ran service > > provisioning businesses absolutely dependent on ready availability of IP > > addresses. It is because I remain underwhelmed by the hype. > > > > The facts tend to the inconvenient. To the hype, that is. So we are > agreed > > to disagree, albeit agreeably. Nope, the hype on this is over the top. > > And for the life of me I can't figure out why. In the Y2K storm I knew > > what it was; there were folks hellbent on picking some pockets. > > > > Maybe its because I am at a point where I've learned to distrust all > > revealed wisdom and orthodoxy. So I might be the heretic here. Oh well, > > if salvation comes...... > > > > - Carlton > > > > ============================== > > Carlton A Samuels > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > ============================= > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Snip the whole thing always brings me back to that Y2K jingle. > >> > >> I would disagree and here's why. > >> > >> *Demographics* > >> As I write this email, the world's population according to the > Population > >> Reference Bureau is 7,087,683,026 as at 6:18am Sunday morning on 16th > >> September, 2012. The World Mortality Report of 2011 rates (produced by > the > >> Department of Economic Social Affairs by its Population division) shows > >> that over time the mortality rates have generally gone down although > there > >> are still wide disparities in levels of mortality across regions. See: > >> > >> > http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/worldmortalityreport2011/Worl… > >> > >> *End Users* > >> Whilst there are 7 billion people on the planet, the World Internet > >> Statistics (IWS) suggest that there are 2,267,233,742 internet users as > at > >> December, 31, 2011. See: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm. > >> > >> These users distributed would be something like this:- > >> AFRALO region - 6.2% > >> APRALO region - 49% > >> EURALO region - 22.1% > >> LACRALO region - 10.4% > >> NARALO region - 12% > >> > >> *Can current supply meet demand?* > >> As the push for Universal Service continues to grow as we have seen from > >> recent trends in ICT development, liberalisation of markets, > competition, > >> it is generally expected that the end users will grow. There already is > a > >> demand on Internet Address allocations based on consumption. The pull on > >> address spaces is also linked to "consumerism". The innovations in > science > >> and technology have brought us smart phones, smart computers, smart > >> refrigerators, smart homes, smart cars means that there is a "level of > >> demand" coming from the globe on a "finite pool of resources". We see > >> trends where as Innovations increase eg. Applications (App) and a single > >> phone can have an average of 5 Apps. Internet Traffic is definitely > growing > >> because of many reasons, the desire to communicate, content driven > >> applications being some of the reasons. Whether it is an entrepreneur > away > >> on a business trip can with a few strokes be able to check procurement > of > >> goods, what's in the cash register etc or a Surgeon performing remote > tests > >> and/or surgery, one thing is certain, consumption of the Internet will > >> continue to grow. > >> > >> So the issue becomes, can "Supply meet demand"? Maybe and only for a > little > >> while. There are Network Address Translators (NATs) that can only do so > >> much for a little while but all it is really at the end of the day is > >> buying time and waiting for the inevitable which is the pool of IPv4 > >> resources will run out. > >> > >> *The growth in global demand to communicate implies the need for > >> transition* > >> For as long as the assumption is true that internet usage will grow > there > >> will be a strain on the address allocation. There are variables that > affect > >> demographics droughts, tsunamis, global food crisis, water scarcity, > >> climate change, migration, conflicts and wars that affect demographics > but > >> a steward and in this case RIPE NCC will try to ensure that there is > >> sufficient preparation that existing resources are conserved within > reason > >> and at the same time encourage transition. > >> > >> The threat aside from running out of internet addresses on the IPv4 > front > >> is the ability for Networks not to be able to communicate. The IPv4 > Network > >> cannot communicate with the IPv6 and there are ways to address these > where > >> network owners can elect to opt for which ever methods of transition > suits > >> them. > >> > >> Fortunately, the good news is that to be able to account for the current > >> and future demands on address space allocations, the IPv6 address > >> allocations were designed to enable seamless communication. So the only > >> challenge now is organising IPv4 to IPv6 transition. The key word is a > >> transition. As for end users there are many things that we can do as > >> ordinary end users to help prepare for the transition but that is for > >> another time. > >> > >> Whilst some may say, that it's just vendors trying to sell their wares. > The > >> reality is that vendors will always try to sell their wares and you can > >> help keep them accountable by getting your region and network providers > to > >> publish feedback on their wares See: > >> > >> > http://labs.ripe.net/Members/mirjam/ipv6-cpe-survey-updated-january-2011/?s… > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> Sala > >> _______________________________________________ > >> lac-discuss-en mailing list > >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > At-Large mailing list > > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro alias Sala PO Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @ SalanietaT Skype: Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Celular Fiji: +679 998 2851 _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/995b1252d9.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Son de direcciones IPv4!
by salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro＠gmail.com Sept. 15, 2012

Sept. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Son de direcciones IPv4! De: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com El Domingo, 16 de septiembre de 2012 a las 8:11 AM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Hi Sala: > You misinterpret my skepticism as denial. Wrong. > > Apologies on the misinterpretation :( > I'm there with you on all the facts you quote. Yes too, on all the trends > you finger. My skepticism is born of the big 'the sky is falling' hoopla. > And an analysis that is predicated on immediate and/or imminent scarcity. > [Scarcity as in demand driven!] > > For the last several years, I've studiously followed the ARIN policy > discussions. Its only after you see the details and couple that to a few > other facts that it jumps out at ya; the details just don't support the > great alarm hurry-up-and-do-this. Look critically at some of the data in > context of where access and demand are growing; Africa and Asia. Then > have another think. > My personal views are that transitions will no doubt cost and that proper > efficient planning will actually help save costs. > > No, we will not have a collapse anytime soon. No, I doubt if IPv4 > addresses will ever be totally exhausted. > "Migración". Todavía habrá entidades en v4 por un buen tiempo, pero si se espera que comunicarse, sin duda serán todo tipo de mecanismos de túneles, etc La pregunta es la interpretación de lo que es "Riesgo aceptable". Para aquellos que dependen de consumidores que confían en la capacidad de comunicarse seamlessely si se trata de plataformas de comercio electrónico, granjas de servidores, bancos, aeropuertos, etc esto es algo que cada LIR voluntad en Al final del día tienes que evaluar en base a lo que ellos perciben como demandas. Sí, hay mecanismos establecidos para probar y autenticar si estas demandas son "artificial" o "legítimo". > At least not if some of the policy positions I see being promoted in the > ARIN region are implemented! > > Yes, if and when that time comes, if someone belly up to your favourite > RIR and asks for a **bank* *of addresses, here's the likely response, > "well, we ain't got that kind. But here's another kind works just as well > if not better! Machine you have might even be prepped for it, see. But > you might have to do a few little things to let her fly". That > conversation will not take place with a mom and pop operation, trust me. > End user networks are not provisioned as the popular myth says. > > Troll the lists and you will see this is one topic I've studiously stayed > away from. Not because I don't understand the issues; I ran service > provisioning businesses absolutely dependent on ready availability of IP > addresses. It is because I remain underwhelmed by the hype. > > The facts tend to the inconvenient. To the hype, that is. So we are > agreed to disagree, albeit agreeably. Nope, the hype on this is over the > top. And for the life of me I can't figure out why. In the Y2K storm I > knew what it was; there were folks hellbent on picking some pockets. > > Maybe its because I am at a point where I've learned to distrust all > revealed wisdom and orthodoxy. So I might be the heretic here. Oh well, > if salvation comes...... > > - Carlton > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Snip the whole thing always brings me back to that Y2K jingle. >> >> I would disagree and here's why. >> >> *Demographics* >> >> As I write this email, the world's population according to the Population >> Reference Bureau is 7,087,683,026 as at 6:18am Sunday morning on 16th >> September, 2012. The World Mortality Report of 2011 rates (produced by the >> Department of Economic Social Affairs by its Population division) shows >> that over time the mortality rates have generally gone down although there >> are still wide disparities in levels of mortality across regions. See: >> >> http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/worldmortalityreport2011/Worl… >> >> *End Users* >> >> Whilst there are 7 billion people on the planet, the World Internet >> Statistics (IWS) suggest that there are 2,267,233,742 internet users as at >> December, 31, 2011. See: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm. >> >> These users distributed would be something like this:- >> AFRALO region - 6.2% >> APRALO region - 49% >> EURALO region - 22.1% >> LACRALO region - 10.4% >> NARALO region - 12% >> >> *Can current supply meet demand?* >> >> As the push for Universal Service continues to grow as we have seen from >> recent trends in ICT development, liberalisation of markets, competition, >> it is generally expected that the end users will grow. There already is a >> demand on Internet Address allocations based on consumption. The pull on >> address spaces is also linked to "consumerism". The innovations in science >> and technology have brought us smart phones, smart computers, smart >> refrigerators, smart homes, smart cars means that there is a "level of >> demand" coming from the globe on a "finite pool of resources". We see >> trends where as Innovations increase eg. Applications (App) and a single >> phone can have an average of 5 Apps. Internet Traffic is definitely >> growing >> because of many reasons, the desire to communicate, content driven >> applications being some of the reasons. Whether it is an entrepreneur >> away >> on a business trip can with a few strokes be able to check procurement of >> goods, what's in the cash register etc or a Surgeon performing remote >> tests >> and/or surgery, one thing is certain, consumption of the Internet will >> continue to grow. >> >> So the issue becomes, can "Supply meet demand"? Maybe and only for a >> little >> while. There are Network Address Translators (NATs) that can only do so >> much for a little while but all it is really at the end of the day is >> buying time and waiting for the inevitable which is the pool of IPv4 >> resources will run out. >> >> *The growth in global demand to communicate implies the need for >> transition* >> >> For as long as the assumption is true that internet usage will grow there >> will be a strain on the address allocation. There are variables that >> affect >> demographics droughts, tsunamis, global food crisis, water scarcity, >> climate change, migration, conflicts and wars that affect demographics but >> a steward and in this case RIPE NCC will try to ensure that there is >> sufficient preparation that existing resources are conserved within reason >> and at the same time encourage transition. >> >> The threat aside from running out of internet addresses on the IPv4 front >> is the ability for Networks not to be able to communicate. The IPv4 >> Network >> cannot communicate with the IPv6 and there are ways to address these where >> network owners can elect to opt for which ever methods of transition suits >> them. >> >> Fortunately, the good news is that to be able to account for the current >> and future demands on address space allocations, the IPv6 address >> allocations were designed to enable seamless communication. So the only >> challenge now is organising IPv4 to IPv6 transition. The key word is a >> transition. As for end users there are many things that we can do as >> ordinary end users to help prepare for the transition but that is for >> another time. >> >> Whilst some may say, that it's just vendors trying to sell their wares. >> The >> reality is that vendors will always try to sell their wares and you can >> help keep them accountable by getting your region and network providers to >> publish feedback on their wares See: >> >> http://labs.ripe.net/Members/mirjam/ipv6-cpe-survey-updated-january-2011/?s… >> >> Best Regards, >> Sala >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro alias Sala PO Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @ SalanietaT Skype: Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Celular Fiji: +679 998 2851 _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/602689ea71.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Son de direcciones IPv4!
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Sept. 15, 2012

Sept. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Son de direcciones IPv4! De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Hola Sala: Usted malinterpretar mi escepticismo como negación. Wrong. Yo estoy ahí con ustedes en todos los hechos que usted cita. Sí también, en todas las tendencias de su digitación. Mi escepticismo nace de la gran 'el cielo se está cayendo' bombos y platillos. Y un análisis que se basa en la escasez inmediata y / o inminente. [La escasez como en función de la demanda!] Durante los últimos años, he seguido escrupulosamente la política de ARIN discusiones. Su solamente después de ver los detalles y la pareja que a unos pocos otro hecho que salta a la vista ya, los detalles no son compatibles con el prisa-para arriba-y-hacer-este gran alarma. Mirar críticamente algunos de los datos en contexto de que el acceso y la demanda está creciendo, África y Asia. Entonces haber otro piensa. No, no vamos a tener un colapso en el corto plazo. No, dudo que IPv4 direcciones nunca será totalmente agotado.Al menos no si algunos de los posiciones políticas que veo están promoviendo en la región de ARIN se implementan! Sí, siempre y cuando llegue ese momento, si alguien vientre hasta su RIR favorito y pide a ** ** banco de direcciones, aquí está la respuesta probable: "bueno, es que no tiene ese tipo. Pero aquí hay otro tipo funciona igual de bien si no mejor! Máquina que haya incluso podría ser preparado para ello, consulte. Pero es posible que tenemos que hacer algunas pequeñas cosas para que su marcha ". Esa conversación no se llevará a cabo con una operación de mamá y papá, créeme. Redes de usuarios finales son No le suministre como el mito popular dice. Troll de las listas y verÃ¡s esto es un tema que he estado estudiadamente lejos de. No porque no entienden los temas; corrÃ servicio aprovisionamiento de negocios totalmente dependientes de la disponibilidad de la propiedad intelectual direcciones. Esto se debe a que siguen decepcionados con el bombo. Los hechos tienden a la inconveniente. Para el bombo, eso es. AsÃ que estamos de acuerdo no estar de acuerdo, aunque agradablemente. No, la exageraciÃ³n en esto es en la parte superior. Y para la vida de mÃ no puedo entender por quÃ©.En la tormenta Y2K sabÃa lo que era; habÃa gente empeÃ±ado en recoger algunas bolsas. Tal vez sea porque estoy en un punto en el que he aprendido a desconfiar de todo revela la sabidurÃa y la ortodoxia. AsÃ que podrÃa ser el hereje aquÃ. Oh, bueno, si la salvaciÃ³n viene ...... - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A MÃ³vil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, PlanificaciÃ³n, Gobierno, EvaluaciÃ³n y Turnaround * ============================= En Tue, 15 de septiembre 2012 a las 2:21 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro @ gmail.com> escribiÃ³: > Snip the whole thing always brings me back to that Y2K jingle. > > I would disagree and here's why. > > *Demographics* > As I write this email, the world's population according to the Population > Reference Bureau is 7,087,683,026 as at 6:18am Sunday morning on 16th > September, 2012. The World Mortality Report of 2011 rates (produced by the > Department of Economic Social Affairs by its Population division) shows > that over time the mortality rates have generally gone down although there > are still wide disparities in levels of mortality across regions. See: > > http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/worldmortalityreport2011/Worl… > > *End Users* > Whilst there are 7 billion people on the planet, the World Internet > Statistics (IWS) suggest that there are 2,267,233,742 internet users as at > December, 31, 2011. See: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm. > > These users distributed would be something like this:- > AFRALO region - 6.2% > APRALO region - 49% > EURALO region - 22.1% > LACRALO region - 10.4% > NARALO region - 12% > > *Can current supply meet demand?* > As the push for Universal Service continues to grow as we have seen from > recent trends in ICT development, liberalisation of markets, competition, > it is generally expected that the end users will grow. There already is a > demand on Internet Address allocations based on consumption. The pull on > address spaces is also linked to "consumerism". The innovations in science > and technology have brought us smart phones, smart computers, smart > refrigerators, smart homes, smart cars means that there is a "level of > demand" coming from the globe on a "finite pool of resources". We see > trends where as Innovations increase eg. Applications (App) and a single > phone can have an average of 5 Apps. Internet Traffic is definitely growing > because of many reasons, the desire to communicate, content driven > applications being some of the reasons. Whether it is an entrepreneur away > on a business trip can with a few strokes be able to check procurement of > goods, what's in the cash register etc or a Surgeon performing remote tests > and/or surgery, one thing is certain, consumption of the Internet will > continue to grow. > > So the issue becomes, can "Supply meet demand"? Maybe and only for a little > while. There are Network Address Translators (NATs) that can only do so > much for a little while but all it is really at the end of the day is > buying time and waiting for the inevitable which is the pool of IPv4 > resources will run out. > > *The growth in global demand to communicate implies the need for > transition* > For as long as the assumption is true that internet usage will grow there > will be a strain on the address allocation. There are variables that affect > demographics droughts, tsunamis, global food crisis, water scarcity, > climate change, migration, conflicts and wars that affect demographics but > a steward and in this case RIPE NCC will try to ensure that there is > sufficient preparation that existing resources are conserved within reason > and at the same time encourage transition. > > The threat aside from running out of internet addresses on the IPv4 front > is the ability for Networks not to be able to communicate. The IPv4 Network > cannot communicate with the IPv6 and there are ways to address these where > network owners can elect to opt for which ever methods of transition suits > them. > > Fortunately, the good news is that to be able to account for the current > and future demands on address space allocations, the IPv6 address > allocations were designed to enable seamless communication. So the only > challenge now is organising IPv4 to IPv6 transition. The key word is a > transition. As for end users there are many things that we can do as > ordinary end users to help prepare for the transition but that is for > another time. > > Whilst some may say, that it's just vendors trying to sell their wares. The > reality is that vendors will always try to sell their wares and you can > help keep them accountable by getting your region and network providers to > publish feedback on their wares See: > > http://labs.ripe.net/Members/mirjam/ipv6-cpe-survey-updated-january-2011/?s… > > Best Regards, > Sala > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/0914602631.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Son de direcciones IPv4!
by salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro＠gmail.com Sept. 15, 2012

Sept. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Son de direcciones IPv4! De: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com Corta todo siempre me lleva de nuevo a ese tintineo Y2K. No estoy de acuerdo y aquí está el porqué. * Población * Al momento de escribir este mensaje, la población mundial según la población Reference Bureau es 7087683026 como a las 6:18 de la mañana del domingo día 16 de Septiembre de 2012. El Informe Mundial de la mortalidad de las tasas de 2011 (producido por la Departamento de Asuntos Económicos Sociales por la división de Población) muestra que con el tiempo las tasas de mortalidad en general han bajado aunque hay son todavía grandes disparidades en los niveles de mortalidad entre las regiones. Ver: * Los usuarios finales * Si bien hay 7 mil millones de personas en el planeta, el mundo de Internet Estadísticas (IWS) sugieren que existen 2,267,233,742 usuarios de internet como en Diciembre, 31, 2011. Véase: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm. Estos usuarios distribuidos sería algo como esto: - AFRALO región - 6,2% Región APRALO - 49% EURALO región - 22,1% LACRALO región - 10,4% NARALO región - 12% * ¿Puede la oferta frente a la demanda actual? * A medida que la presión para el servicio universal sigue creciendo como lo hemos visto desde las tendencias recientes de desarrollo de las TIC, la liberalización de los mercados, la competencia, en general se espera que los usuarios finales aumentará. Ya hay un demanda sobre la asignación de direcciones de Internet basados \u200b\u200ben el consumo. El tirón en espacios de direcciones también está relacionado con el "consumismo". Las innovaciones en la ciencia y la tecnologÃa nos han traÃdo los telÃ©fonos inteligentes, computadoras inteligentes, inteligentes refrigeradores, casas inteligentes, los vehÃculos inteligentes significa que hay un nivel "de demanda "que viene del mundo en un" pool finito de los recursos ". Vemos donde las tendencias como por ejemplo, incremento de las innovaciones. Aplicaciones (App) y una individual telÃ©fono puede tener un promedio de 5 Apps. TrÃ¡fico de Internet definitivamente estÃ¡ creciendo debido a muchas razones, el deseo de comunicar, el contenido impulsada aplicaciones siendo algunas de las razones.Ya se trate de un empresario de distancia en un viaje de negocios pueden con unos pocos trazos poder comprobar la adquisiciÃ³n de bienes, lo que hay en la caja registradora, etc o un cirujano que realiza pruebas remotas y / o cirugÃa, una cosa es cierta, el consumo de Internet se continuarÃ¡ creciendo. AsÃ que la cuestiÃ³n se convierte, puede "satisfacer la demanda de suministro"? Tal vez y sÃ³lo para un poco tiempo. Hay traductores de direcciones de red (NAT), que sÃ³lo puede hacerlo mucho por poco tiempo pero todo lo que realmente estÃ¡ en el final del dÃa es ganar tiempo y esperar lo inevitable que es el conjunto de IPv4 los recursos se agotan. * El crecimiento de la demanda mundial de comunicaciÃ³n implica la necesidad de una transiciÃ³n * Durante el tiempo que el supuesto es cierto que el uso de Internet crecerÃ¡ allÃ serÃ¡ una carga para la asignaciÃ³n de direcciones. Hay muchas variables que afectan demografÃa sequÃas, tsunamis, crisis alimentaria mundial, la escasez de agua, el cambio climÃ¡tico, la migraciÃ³n, los conflictos y las guerras que afectan a la demografÃa, sino un mayordomo, y en este caso RIPE NCC tratarÃ¡ de asegurarse de que no preparaciÃ³n suficiente que los recursos existentes se conservan dentro de lo razonable y al mismo tiempo, estimular la transiciÃ³n. La amenaza aparte de quedarse sin direcciones de Internet IPv4 en la parte delantera es la capacidad de las redes de no ser capaces de comunicarse. La red IPv4 no se puede comunicar con el IPv6 y hay maneras de abordarlos donde propietarios de la red puede optar por la opciÃ³n de que los mÃ©todos a la vez de trajes de transiciÃ³n ellos. Afortunadamente, la buena noticia es que para ser capaz de dar cuenta de la actual y las demandas futuras en materia de asignaciÃ³n de espacio de direcciones, la direcciÃ³n IPv6 asignaciones fueron diseÃ±ados para permitir la comunicaciÃ³n sin fisuras. AsÃ que el Ãºnico reto ahora estÃ¡ organizando transiciÃ³n de IPv4 a IPv6. La palabra clave es una transiciÃ³n. En cuanto a los usuarios finales, hay muchas cosas que podemos hacer como los usuarios normales extremo para ayudar a prepararse para la transiciÃ³n, pero eso es para otro momento. Mientras que algunos pueden decir que es sÃ³lo vendedores intentando vender sus mercancÃas. La la realidad es que los vendedores siempre tratan de vender sus productos y usted puede ayudar a mantenerlos responsable por conseguir su regiÃ³n y proveedores de la red para publicar informaciÃ³n sobre sus productos Ver: http://labs.ripe.net/Members/mirjam/ipv6-cpe-survey-updated-january-2011/?s… Saludos cordiales, Sala _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/2e65aa0980.html --]]

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Google - �rbitro de "libre" discurso ....
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Sept. 15, 2012

Sept. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Google - árbitro de "libre" discurso .... De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Aquí hay discurso más libre una cita diciendo "hoy no tiene nada que ver con los gobiernos y todo que ver con las empresas. " - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y Turnaround * ============================= _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1ca7ebaba8.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Son de direcciones IPv4!
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Sept. 15, 2012

Sept. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Son de direcciones IPv4! De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Weeeeeellllll, lo tienes! Dale al hombre un premio. Había que leer la historia para ver cómo la publicidad se ve socavada. Bastante francamente, todo siempre me lleva de nuevo a ese tintineo Y2K. Um, bueno .... me deja salir de allí. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y Turnaround * ============================= El Viernes, 14 de septiembre 2012 a las 10:58 PM, McTim <dogwallah(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Except this does not mean "empty" it means ~16 Million left (one /8). > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Carlton Samuels > <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > RIPE says the cupboard is empty on them now.... > > > > > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/europe-officially-run… > > > > > > - Carlton > > > > ============================== > > Carlton A Samuels > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > ============================= > > _______________________________________________ > > At-Large mailing list > > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/bd77d9e677.html --]]

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Est�n fuera de las direcciones IPv4!
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Sept. 15, 2012

Sept. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Están fuera de las direcciones IPv4! De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com MADURO dice que el armario está vacío en ellos ahora .... - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y Turnaround * ============================= _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/a28544295c.html --]]

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Fwd: WG WHOIS Encuesta Encuesta
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Sept. 15, 2012

Sept. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Fwd: WG WHOIS Encuesta Encuesta De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com FYI ============================== ------- Mensaje reenviado ---------- De: Avri Doria <avri(a)acm.org> Fecha: Fri, Sep 14, 2012 a las 14:30 Asunto: [At-Large] WHOIS Encuesta Encuesta WG A: At-Large en todo el mundo <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Hola, La GNSO WHOIS Encuesta GT ha ido a vivir con su encuesta sobre muchos aspectos del servicio WHOIS. Un montón de trabajo por mucha gente ha ido a esto. La encuesta ha sido objeto de comentarios y varias personas, incluido yo beleive algunos de At-Large probado una versión anterior de la encuesta y se útiles comentarios. El Grupo de Trabajo espera que mucha gente toma esta encuesta para que tenga la más amplia las perspectivas posibles y más diversa. ¿Quién mejor que At-Large para ese tipo de tarea. Por favor, siéntase libre para saltar cualquier pregunta que usted cree que no aplica en su caso. Y tomar ventaja de la capacidad de detener y luego continuar a un más tarde tiempo. Es largo y algunas preguntas toman tiempo para pensar, o al menos a mí. Algunos de ellos creo que todavía estoy pensando. Además de tomar usted mismo, por favor no dude en pasar a su organizaciones y redes. gracias avri Comience el mensaje remitido: > http://gnso.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-13sep12-en.htm. [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/63e7849572.html --]]

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Cambios en ICANN
by Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch Sept. 14, 2012

Sept. 14, 2012

Colegas, anuncio de importancia. Fadi Chehade toma posesión unas semanas antes de lo previamente anunciado y anuncia cambios en la organización: http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-14sep12-en.htm Obsérvese en particular que ha iniciado una estrategia regional específica para África. Alejandro Pisanty ! !! !!! !!!! NEW PHONE NUMBER - NUEVO NÚMERO DE TELÉFONO +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] no hay puntos SSAC053-dominios.
by presidencia＠internauta.org.ar Sept. 14, 2012

Sept. 14, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: no hay puntos SSAC053-dominios. De: presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Perfect +1! - * Sergio Salinas Porto Presidente Internauta Argentina Asociacin Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar/> / CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar/> FLUI-Federacin Latinoamericana de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.fuilain.org/> facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas MSN / YAHOO MSN / Discusión: salinasporto ... Skype: internautaargentina Mobi: +54 9 223 5 215 819 * El 14 de Septiembre de 2012 13:50 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> escribi: > Dear Sergio, > > there is a comment on the WIKI, which is where the comments usually go. > https://community.icann.org/x/voUoAg > > Today the statement needs to be finalised, taking into account the > comment(s) and an ALAC vote started. I was planning to help with this in a > couple of hours. The comment period for At-Large closed yesterday but for > the next 2 hours (it is 16:50 UTC) we can probably continue accepting > comments if this is okay with you. > > Kind regards, > > Olivier > > > On 14/09/2012 18:27, presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar wrote: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Re: no points SSAC053-Domains. > From: presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar > > Sorry, no bean understood your question, I still have not seen ANY KIND of > comments on it in the list of ALAC and I have not had time > reading material, but immediately leery haralgn comment > in the relevant list. Thanks for your input > - > > > * Sergio Salinas Porto > Argentina President Internauta > Argentina Association of Internet Users <http://www.internauta.org.ar/> <http://www.internauta.org.ar/> / CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar/> <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar/> > Fluid Latin American Federation of Internet Users <http://www.fuilain.org/> <http://www.fuilain.org/> > facebook: salinasporto > twitter: sergiosalinas > MSN / YAHOO MSN / Talk: salinasporto ... > Skype: internautaargentina > > > Mobi: +54 215 819 9223 5 * > > > > > The September 14, 2012 13:22, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < > apisan(a)unam.mx> wrote: > > > > Sergio, > > mil gracias. Lo tengo perfectamente presente. El documento de Bortzmeyer > es de las últimas 24 horas. ¿Lo están considerando? > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > ! !! !!! !!!! > NEW PHONE NUMBER - NUEVO NÚMERO DE TELÉFONO > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO > > SMS +525541444475 > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ------------------------------ > *Desde:* Presidencia Internauta [presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar] > *Enviado el:* viernes, 14 de septiembre de 2012 11:19 > *Hasta:* Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch > *CC:* LACRALO Español > *Asunto:* Re: [lac-discuss-es] SSAC053- Dominios sin puntos. > > Estimado Alejandro, como informara enlam lista en un mail anterior, he > contribuido al debate de este tema con un statement que esta enviara > oportumanente a la lista y qn un mail anterior a la lista > > El 14 de septiembre de 2012 13:06, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan(a)unam.mx> escribió: > > > Colegas, > > atraigo su atención ahttp://forum.icann.org/lists/sac053-dotless-domains/msg00006.html donde > Stephane Bortzmeyer, de AFNIC (operador de .fr) y un real experto en el > DNS, afina el criterio sobre la propuesta relativa a nombres de dominio de > alto nivel sin punto. > > A nuestra representación en ALAC: ¿se está discutiendo esta > contribución? > > Alejandro Pisanty > > ! !! !!! !!!! > NEW PHONE NUMBER - NUEVO NÚMERO DE TELÉFONO > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO > > SMS +525541444475 > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > ________________________________________ > Desde: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Presidencia > Internauta [presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar] > Enviado el: lunes, 03 de septiembre de 2012 14:04 > Hasta: LACRALO Español > Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] SSAC053- Dominios sin puntos. > > > Estimados por este medio envió el Statement de ALAC sobre SSAC053 > "Dominios > sin punto", el mismo fue realizado por mí y estará en unos días traducido > para su debate y comentarios. > En el mismo fueron incorporados algunos comentarios volcados a la lista de > LACRALO. > Saludos cordiales > -- > > *Sergio Salinas Porto > > Presidente Internauta Argentina > Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet > <http://www.internauta.org.ar> <http://www.internauta.org.ar>/CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> > > FLUI- Federación Latinoamericana de Usuarios de Internet > <http://www.fuilain.org/> <http://www.fuilain.org/> > > facebook:salinasporto > twitter:sergiosalinas > MSN/MSN YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto...Skype:internautaargentina > > Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819* > > > -- > > *Sergio Salinas Porto > Presidente Internauta Argentina > Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar> <http://www.internauta.org.ar>/CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> > > > FLUI- Federación Latinoamericana de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.fuilain.org/> <http://www.fuilain.org/> > facebook:salinasporto > twitter:sergiosalinas > MSN/MSN YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto...Skype:internautaargentina > > > > Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819* > > > > > > > > * Sergio Salinas Porto > Argentina President Internauta > Argentina Association of Internet Users <http://www.internauta.org.ar> <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> > Fluid Latin American Federation of Internet Users <http://www.fuilain.org/> <http://www.fuilain.org/> > facebook: salinasporto > twitter: sergiosalinas > MSN / YAHOO MSN / Talk: salinasporto ... > Skype: internautaargentina > > > Mobi: +54 215 819 9223 5 * > _______________________________________________ > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1c56f6ecf5.html --]]

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